Little things that bug you?

[Ellielator]

You know something? I swear to God I never noticed that until I saw the Octopus scene when I was watching the movie on The Disney Channel back in '93 or '94. Now, everytime I watch the movie without the octopus scene, I notice that they mention it in talking.

And you know something else? I actually went through a period of disliking this movie in high school. I don't know what I was thinking. I love this movie!

[DocD83]

navigation and ship-handling-stuff (I'm sure there's a tidier word for this)

Shipmanship maybe?

Seamanship.

(You, in the back, stop giggling!)

[aargmematey]

docd83 said:

Shipmanship maybe?

Seamanship.

Are you sure? Because shipmanship has a certain ring to it.

*Belatedly and arbitrarily giggles at "seamanship." Teehee*

[DocD83]

Yes. I checked dictionary.com to confirm (that and I'm a naval architect by trade).

[Ellielator]

The overabunance of toilet scenes in Friday the 13th part 3

[ironica728]

Yeah, that Dogma-traveling business kinda bothers me too.

The ten times Raoul had a chance to order his officers to kill the Phantom during "Don Juan Triumphant" in Phantom of the Opera.

Does it count that I was bothered by the Two Towers previews and teasers when they showed Gandalf coming back?

[drew]

I had been intending to start a thread about this, but I guess it will fit quite nicely here.

I hate when a movie dates itself. Not in unavoidable ways such as period clothing and lingo, but in unnecessary ways.

Example: At the end of "Anchorman", when they say that Brick became a chief advisor to the Bush administration. Aside from being the cheapest, most out-of-place joke in the film, it also dates the film in a way that won't be as funny in ten years.

[blinkfan]

I really really am bugged: Not by a part or scene but when they take a good series in this case: Friday the 13th and then ruin with sequels like Jason goes to Hell and Jason x

Darn you New Line, FvJ was good though.

[drew]

blinkfan said:

I really really am bugged: Not by a part or scene but when they take a good series in this case: Friday the 13th and then ruin with sequels like Jason goes to Hell and Jason x

Darn you New Line, FvJ was good though.

"Jason Goes to Hell" owns face. When else can you see the ninth installment of a series go in a drastically different direction?

I do agree that "Jason X" and "Freddy vs. Jason" were garbage, though they did entertain me as a diehard fan of the series. Really, only parts 1, 2, Final Chapter (4), and Goes to Hell (9) are good in this fella's opinion.

[DarthShady]

This is more society bugging me than movies. But I hate it when Pretty in Pink"is considered a classic while Some Kind of Wonderful (essentially the same plot, but way better) is almost unheard of. At least, my friends never heard of it. The only reason I know it is because my mom loves it.

Also, I agree with drew about the dating thing. Although Anchorman's Bush joke is pretty funny now, I fear that when my kids see the movie they'll end up asking me which Bush they mean or something. Or movies that are a couple decades old by now that feature the latest and greatest technology of the time. It was probably awesome to see the computers in War Games back in 1985. Now it's just laughable and I find these movies amusing in different ways than they were meant to be.

[Ellielator]

blinkfan said:

I really really am bugged: Not by a part or scene but when they take a good series in this case: Friday the 13th and then ruin with sequels like Jason goes to Hell and Jason x

Darn you New Line, FvJ was good though.

I agree with you about New Line Cinema. They didn't have the right style for their Jason movies. It became much more Jason with them than it was about Friday.

I mean, right from their taking the series, they should have completely disowned the FRIDAY link. Because that's where the Glamour of the original Paramount series was. It's that Jason doesn't actually drive the entire movie. He's a piece, a major piece sure, but not the star. Because then he becomes like Madonna - the next movie always looks for a drastic way to Re-Invent him. And that's not what made the Friday movies great. They never strayed too much from what they were to begin with. And they actually had a sense of subtlety. The New Line movies were all about how Jason comes walking out into a hallway of a building or spaceship and how the music, badly, makes him look like a soldier or something. Like these movies are Jason War movies. Where the first movies were Jason Atmosphere movies. There's no suspense to the New Line Jason movies. Too much comical, corny, and I'm talking bad corny, crap to them. They were crappy. They didn't look good and they played like bad comedies.

drew said:

"Jason Goes to Hell" owns face. When else can you see the ninth installment of a series go in a drastically different direction?

I don't know what the phrase "owns face" means. But... I have to say that, and this might sound crazy, this series is famous for a reason. And it's crazy, but... We love the original Friday movies because they are all the same. They all look almost exactly the same - green trees, blue and black skies, brown and grey wood cabins, rain, muddy dirt (sometimes), red blood, and silver blades that shine against the pale white full moon(s). A group of dumb, horny teens go into the woods, into the cabins, do the bad things their parents told them not to do, and are killed one by one (or in pairs of two). Harry Manfredini's music comes on, the camera gets shots of raindrops beginning to fall, wind wooshing through the trees, the trees swaying, and then, either some bozo goes wandering in the woods alone or the door to their cabin opens as someone enters, and... you know someone's going to scream and die.

It's fun. Insanely fun. I don't think anyone who really loves these movies is too crazy about suddenly seeing Jason with a head that resembles a loaf of fallen bread or uncooked hamburger meat and a suit that makes him look like Violet Beauregard as the puffed-up Blueberry. He's a bloated pillow with stuffing falling out, sloshing through ugly sets while this horrible music score squeals like a choked pig in the background. I don't think many people wanted this series to change at all, let alone this drastically. I know how many people say all good things must come to an end. But... why did it have to end like this?

drew said:

I do agree that "Jason X" and "Freddy vs. Jason" were garbage, though they did entertain me as a diehard fan of the series. Really, only parts 1, 2, Final Chapter (4), and Goes to Hell (9) are good in this fella's opinion.

You're a die-hard fan of this series? Are you sure?

[sarahbot]

drew said:

I hate when a movie dates itself. Not in unavoidable ways such as period clothing and lingo, but in unnecessary ways.

I hated that part in the book of HP & the Chamber of Secrets where you find out it's 1992. I didn't need to know that, and now it's just kind of distracting.

[drew]

ellielator said:

You're a die-hard fan of this series? Are you sure?

Yup.

Perhaps I should clear this up. I can sit down and watch any F13 flick and be thoroughly entertained. However I also recognize the difference between a (relatively) good horror movie and a bad one. What I meant is that I think 1, 2, Final Chapter, and Goes to Hell are the good horror movies of the bunch. For me, the others have their appeal because of Jason alone. The same movie with a different villain (if such a thing would be possible) wouldn't do it for me.

[Ellielator]

Actually I think parts 1, 2, and 4 are some of the weaker of the original series. Because they focus too much on how sleazy the teens are, strut their excessive exploits onscreen like they're actually funny, and have the least amount of backstory or much of anything else. They just focus too much on the teens as a group.

Which I think proves your point even more. I like the other movies better because the teens are a tad less interchangable. In some ways. And in others, the atmosphere is stronger.

That was actually not a very good way for me to try explaining it. Because in the end, these are not consistencies in each movie. 3, 6, and 7 for instance, are in my opinion, the truly outstanding installments in this series. And where in part 3 I think it's Chris that makes the movie, the same is not true for part 6, because who really gives a damn about Tommy? If they had, maybe part 5 would be liked more. But then, what worked for 3 I think works a lot in part 7 as well. But in different ways.

But there are moments I can barely even watch in parts 1, 2, and 4. I mean, part 1 has the most gratuitous sex scene in the entire series. Who actually wants to see people having what looks like realistic sex? Part 2 is so childish it makes part 6's "does he think I'm a farthead?" look like it could have been a quote from Citizen Kane - "Beware of bears" as a reference to Ginny's period - ew! And Part 4 is just plain nasty. Not nasty in tone, which I guess it is, but skanky - nasty. Now these teens / 20-somethings are truly nothing but pervs. Not exactly sympathetic characters. Because you know these filmmakers are looking at what these people do as normal, perhaps even somewhat healthy behavior. And... depending on how you want to look at it, it is. They're not hurting anyone. So, it's easy to see they're not that different from us. But now, they all become painfully desperate for a lay. And that's cinematically dispicable.

[StarOpal]

I don't want to start the 'history vs Hollywood' argument here (That isn't the topic of this thread, and quite frankly I don't care) but this is something that bothers me:

I like LOVE The Untouchables. I don't care if it has a tenuous grasp of history, it's a perfectly entertaining movie with some great lines. But there is one part that takes me out of the movie every time.


SPOILER


When Elliot Ness (Kevin Costner) pushes Frank Nitti (Billy Drago) off the roof of the courthouse it's really kinda... hokey. That's the only word. It's like it's tacked on to the movie "What do we do with Frank? I know! we'll push him off the roof and nobody will care even though Elliot Ness looks over the side so eveyone can see he's up there."

And then since that takes me out of the movie I start thinking, 'Well that's dumb. Frank Nitti took over after Capone was put away.' And then I start thinking of other things the movie fudged on. So I just Fast Forward during that part.