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Post by gregslagel on Oct 16, 2003 11:17:12 GMT -5
Yeah... uhhh...
I tried to do a brief rundown of Objectivism and Rand one night several days ago but then I clicked "Post," and it was all, "Yo, you're still a guest," and I was all, "CRAAAAAP, I didn't push login," and then all my words were gone from this little box, so I couldn't post them, and I was like, "screw it!"
But it seems Lissa there was willing to do a much better job of explaining things than I was, anyway. I guess its true what they say, "The forum works in mysterious ways."
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Post by gregslagel on Oct 16, 2003 11:20:25 GMT -5
Oh, and I always maintain that the episdoe where Millhouse's parents get divorced is one of the greats.
"This is a little story about a man who worked for fifteen years at a cracker factory!"
"Boring!"
Ooh, ohh, and,
"I sleep in a racecar, Homer. Do you sleep in a Racecar?"
"No, I sleep in a big bed with my wife."
"Oh."
What a waste of valuable board space... I'm sorry forum. I'll go do 10 hail muties while I'm in the shower.
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Post by PoolMan on Oct 16, 2003 21:03:17 GMT -5
Heh... Kurt Van Houten is one of my favourite characters to just point and laugh at.
"It's a door! Use it!"
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Post by gregslagel on Oct 16, 2003 22:42:34 GMT -5
"Can I borrow a feeling? Slip your hand in my glove of love"
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Post by Head Mutant on Oct 17, 2003 9:07:55 GMT -5
"Yeah, lots of storybooks have WITCHES in them!"
"Shut up, Kirk!"
"Sorry"
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Post by gregslagel on Oct 17, 2003 12:40:53 GMT -5
"I, for one, would like to see the cafeteria menus in advance so parents can adjust their dinner menus accordingly. I don't like the idea of Milhouse having two spaghetti meals in one day."
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Post by Lissa on Oct 17, 2003 13:20:58 GMT -5
"Tonight, we can push the twin beds together!"
"How about it Luann? Will you marry me? Again?'
"Ewww- no!"
"Okay."
I'm still a fan of the cult episode though. "I love him, he loves we, we're The Leader's family...."
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Post by PoolMan on Oct 17, 2003 15:47:39 GMT -5
"How about it Luann? Will you marry me? Again?' "Ewww- no!" "Okay." That is one of the best moments in television history, that quote. The poor, downtrodden guy loses his wife, goes through hell, watches his wife shack up with some other guy, and goes to all the trouble of writing a song and singing it in public to win her back. Every OTHER TV show in history would have her cave and come back to him, a happy ending for all. But not the Simpsons. No, it's a big, fat "EWWW!" for poor Kurt. I miss that season. |
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Post by Head Mutant on Oct 17, 2003 16:04:04 GMT -5
He just depresses me, the poor guy... but no more than Apu cheating on his wife or Flanders having premarital sex. They should've gone with the bumblebee guy in all of those plots.
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Post by PoolMan on Oct 18, 2003 11:08:35 GMT -5
Bumblebee guy, Bumblebee guy! If it were up to you, the entire soup would be nothing but Bumblebee guy!
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Post by Lissa on Oct 18, 2003 13:11:26 GMT -5
Not a huge Bumblebee Guy fan. I like him in his small doses. If I had to pick a favorite, it would be Sideshow Bob. I've been out of the Simpsons for a bit- who'd Apu cheat with, and Flanders had premarital sex? Can someone fill me in please?  My curiousity is piqued!!!! (And does anyone else find it amusing that an Ayn Rand thread has degenerated to Simpson's talk?  Two of my favorites in one thread- I'm happy!) |
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Post by gregslagel on Oct 19, 2003 0:39:58 GMT -5
Hey, me too. Maybe I just wanted to prove that just cuz a guy has a "I brake for objectivists" bumper sticker doesn't mean he can't kick back with some cartoons.
I am, of course, a simpsons traditionalist or Old Schooler. The new plots, the loss of family values, the non-stop craziness leading to stupid and fantastic scenarios... leave that to Family Guy, and to a different extent, Futurama (RIP.) They do it better.
And yeah, Apu had sex with some bit character, a squishee-machine-filler-lady.
Oh, and I don't actually have any bumper stickers. But I saw a guy with a little " Objectivists aynrand.org " license plate guard on his car today. So I yelled, "YEAH!!! Go Ayn Rand!" at him.
I'm more of a loud boorish beer-swilling intellectual.
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Post by Lissa on Oct 19, 2003 10:09:58 GMT -5
Have you heard that they're talking about making Atlas Shrugged into a movie again? Crusader Entertainment acquired the rights. I don't know how they'd manage to squeeze it all into one movie, if they did it- (particularly since that final monologue takes three hours to read outloud!), but it would be incredibly cool if they did, and if it was done well. Although I have to admit, I wasn't incredibly crazy about the movie adaptation of The Fountainhead.
I got out of the Simpsons around the same time, I guess... they just hit a point where they didn't have the same type of humor any more. But I've heard some of the newer episodes are good, so I might have to try it again.
Miss Futurama though!
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Post by gregslagel on Oct 19, 2003 12:49:33 GMT -5
No no, you've been misinformed.
Maybe if you could forget the simpsons as they were and look at them purely as they are... but I am tainted by past glories and thus am doomed to forever cry "suck!" upon them.
I'll admit, I haven't even read Anthem, though I'm sure I will now. Honestly, I would be more than a little suprised if Foutainhead were a good movie. It just didn't seem like it had "Film" written on it. As much as the book meant to me, the movie could hardly be anything but a sacrilicious experience.
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Post by Lissa on Oct 19, 2003 14:46:32 GMT -5
That's sad to hear. I miss the glory days of the Simpsons. The movie Fountainhead is... well, eh. It suffers from the great problem of the plot being WAY too long and complex for a short movie, and they cut out huge elements. If I remember right, he went to trial over the Enright House, not the Stoddard Temple. (I believe Cortlandt was left in though.) Huh? Gary Cooper played Howard Roark, and I remember thinking he seemed very stiff. Roark would be a very difficult character to play, I think, as he doesn't have any of the vulnerabilities that Rearden has in Atlas Shrugged. I think Roark makes a good literary character, but does not translate so well to film. Patricia Neal was Dominque Francon, and I can't give a fair review of her performance because I never quite understood Dominque Francon. For one, she's a nutcase. (Well, she is.) Two, although Rand purports (is that a word?) that love stems from virtues, Dominique Francon falls in love with Howard Roark before she knows anything about him. And third, Dominique was a nutcase. Oops, did I already say that? Sorry, but I just don't get that girl. I do in theory, I suppose, and she didn't bug me nearly as much until I read We the Living or Atlas Shrugged. But Kira, Dagny, or even Cheryl Taggart could kick Dominique's butt. I did think Robert Douglas did a good job as Ellsworth Toohey, but I think the film was sort of doomed anway. I think the reason Atlas Shrugged has never come to screen is simply length- and again, it's hard to make some of the scenes watchable. Business meetings and steel-pouring might be what moves the world, but they don't make good movie scenes. It's rather entertaining to read the comments on IMDB about the film (very glad someone else agreed with me about the "love at first sight" bit). because it does degenerate a bit into philosophical debate/argument/mudslinging. As far as the movie goes, it's probably worth a rent, just because Ayn Rand did have such a heavy hand in the casting and the writing of the script, but prepare for it to be a far, far cry from the book! Lissa |
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My curiousity is piqued!!!!
Two of my favorites in one thread- I'm happy!)