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Post by aargmematey on Jul 23, 2007 11:02:59 GMT -5
Lissa, you took the words right out of my mouth. From one ficcer to another I say "hear, hear!"
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Post by PoolMan on Jul 23, 2007 12:54:55 GMT -5
One incredibly nitpicky question: who was Victoire, at the end of the book? One of the kids refers to her as a cousin - related how? One of Ron & Hermione's kids? I got nuthin. As was pointed out, Victoire is Bill and Fleur's son. And Victoire would be the French version of Viktor. Guess Fleur enjoyed meeting him too! |
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Post by Magill on Jul 23, 2007 14:30:05 GMT -5
The French version of Viktor is Victor (Victor Hugo, anyone?). Victoire is usually a feminine name and more specifically means "victory." Which I'm sure is how everyone felt after Voldemort went down.
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Post by TheLuckyOne on Jul 23, 2007 15:37:41 GMT -5
Hey, wait... if the epilogue was 19 years later, why was Teddy on the Hogwarts Express? If he was born during Deathly Hallows, wouldn't he be done with school by then?
Unless he's a faculty member, in which case kissing a student is probably really inappropriate.
-D
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Post by Lissa on Jul 23, 2007 15:44:07 GMT -5
I assumed that he'd come to see Victorie off, but was already done school and working somewhere else.
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Post by Storm_Rider on Jul 23, 2007 16:01:04 GMT -5
Yeah in fact James says that Teddy is back there, and he came to see Victoire off: " - and he said he'd come to see her off! And then he told me to go away. He's snogging her!"
Ted couldn't be a member of the faculty because Harry says that he has dinner at their house four times a week.
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Post by TheLuckyOne on Jul 23, 2007 16:07:47 GMT -5
Ted couldn't be a member of the faculty because Harry says that he has dinner at their house four times a week. I'm not sure why one would preclude the other, but yeah, Lissa is probably right. -D |
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Post by Storm_Rider on Jul 23, 2007 16:24:15 GMT -5
Indeed, however if he were a faculty member he'd have to exit the Hogwarts grounds every time in order to Disapparate and then make the same trip back, and I don't think a Hogwarts teacher has that much time to spare seriously, plus the Hogwarts house elves cook a helluva meal.
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Post by DarthShady on Jul 24, 2007 20:21:57 GMT -5
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Post by pfrsue on Jul 24, 2007 20:40:26 GMT -5
Sort of an interesting snippet of unexpected continuity.
Order of the Phoenix - pg 31
"They guard the wizard prison, Azkaban," said Aunt Petunia..... "I heard --- that awful boy --- telling her about them --- years ago."
"If you mean my mum and dad, why don't you use their names?" said Harry loudly, but Aunt Petunia ignored him.
Deathly Hallows - pg 667, Lily speaking to Snape:
"Tell me about the dementors again."
"What d'you want to know about them for?"
"If I use magic outside school ---"
"They wouldn't give you to the dementors for that! Dementors are for people who do really bad stuff. They guard the wizard prison, Azkaban. You're not going to end up in Azkaban, you're too ---"
He turned red again and shredded more leaves. Then a small rustling noise behind Harry made him turn: Petunia, hiding behind a tree, had lost her footing.
Nice!
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Post by Head Mutant on Jul 24, 2007 20:49:42 GMT -5
Huh! Spiffy!
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Post by StarOpal on Jul 25, 2007 0:23:39 GMT -5
Okay, just finished. I know: late comer. It's like WWII meets the Reign of Terror. But with magic. Tonks. Lupin I knew was going to happen, but Tonks as well? Call me flabbergasted. And then it was like just mentioned not shown. Fred's death was saddest though. Mostly because of Percy, but still sad. But Dobby was BOTH shocking and sad. All that stuff about Snape - I knew it! Well most of it. And I knew that was his Patronus! I thought it was interesting how, in the Pensieve O' Exposition scene, Dumbledore wasn't just manipulative, but dealing some low blows. What can I say? Even though I knew he would die, I always wanted him to survive and be Headmaster. So I guess I got half of that wish. One thing that I was wrong about, but completely convinced of, was that Regulus' second getting the locket was going to be Snape. Kreacher came out of left field. Oh wow, DarthShady, I hadn't thought of that. That's really sad... I've always loved Neville (I once wrote an essay length response to someone who said he wasn't worthy of being a Gryfindor. Can you believe that?). He was great. I liked that part about him and his grandmother. And that he became the Herbology professor. I think it's really wonderful, how with all the mirroring between Harry and Neville that they are the only two who pull the sword from the hat. And that Harry destroyed the first horcux and Neville the last. Luna's painting made me grin very wide. Luna's awesome. If I was Ginny, I'd be more worried about Luna stealing Harry than Cho or Gabrielle. Mrs. Weasley, loved her killing Bellatrix. And yes I think it was fitting given 1) the amount of times Rowling has Bellatrix saying something nasty about her and her family, and 2) that her and Sirius parted on such bad terms. Neville faced her in OotP, despite how it turned out. This book completed his story arc of showing that he IS a true Gryffindor, and that he CAN make his family proud. And Arthur in the Ministry? Awesome. Dudley worried about Harry was actually pretty touching. McGonagal? Fantastic. Kreacher? Surprisingly likable. I will say, I too was put off by the rather free use of Unforgivables. It's like Harry goes from "well Expelliarmus is your signature move" to "Crucio! Yeah I see what Bella was saying about really meaning it." without any sort of notice. No worrying about becoming more like Voldemort, no Hermione saying it's not right, nothing. Don't even get me started on McGonagal Imperio-ing. Especially since Moody made such a point about saying that even when Aurors were given the OK during VWI that he and others still refused to use them. "He and Voldemort and Snape, the abandoned boys, had all found home here...." For some reason, to me, that is the saddest line. Funniest had something to do with "wandwork"  The epilogue was really blah and unsatisfying. And I seem to remember hearing that "scar" was suppose to be the last word too. There was something that bugged me, but I can't remember what it was right now. Grrr! Maybe it'll come to me... |
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Post by CheshireKat on Jul 25, 2007 1:08:53 GMT -5
Totally with you on Neville. My brother and I both were totally convinced the last book would be entitled "Neville Longbottom and the Misunderstood Prophecy".
I honestly loved the epilogue and I wonder why people are so disappointed with it. I like a really happy ending. Closure is a good thing.
As far as the unforgivable curses thing:
What JKR is saying here is that there does come a time when you've gotta take off the kid gloves. It's like McGonagall saying 'We duel to kill". It was a great moment of grim determination. It's like Han shooting first, or Mal kicking that guy through the engine. When someone has stated they want to kill you, and they have, on several occasions more than demonstrated that they have no qualms about it, then I'm gonna say it's ok to kill them first.
As far as being able to trace the curses, seeing as how Voldy was running the Ministry, it's safe to assume he wasn't concerned with keeping the unforgivable curse rules intact. After all, he and the death eaters like to cast 126 unforgivable curses before breakfast. Would they really just stop casting them so they could trace Harry on the off chance he'd use the cruciatus curse?
Although if anybody deserved a good "Crucio" it's Ron. I'm with you Justin, totally not cool. Don't give your mate a book on how to woo women and then heinously break the rules of the wingman. Oh yeah, nice job on the ditch too, you jerk. On top of all this he starts making out with Hermy at the worst possible moment. Focus, man!
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Post by Storm_Rider on Jul 25, 2007 3:45:54 GMT -5
Although if anybody deserved a good "Crucio" it's Ron. Totally agree, notice how Harry got Crucio-ed from book 4, Neville got it in book 5 and now even Hermione got Crucio-ed, while Ron just got to act like a punk - granted he was influenced by the locket, but still the locket only exacerbated his own feelings - and then came back and save Harry and get the girl...what a git. Something I really liked was the fact that Hermione always had a plan for any contingecy, like it so often happened in this book. |
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Post by pfrsue on Jul 25, 2007 5:37:47 GMT -5
Here's a question for ya'll. Lupin comes to see them and offers his own brand of special protection, right? Uhm, assuming the kids had said yes, how could that work? Isn't he only a werewolf at the full moon? And isn't the werewolf just a mindless killing machine around all humans? What were they supposed to do? Only search for the horcruxes one night a month while dressed up like Tigger, Winnie the Pooh and Pluto?
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