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Post by BDC on Sept 22, 2003 0:54:06 GMT -5
Who here has heard about Mel Gibson's project called The Passion? It chronicles the day of Christ's crucifixtion, if I remember correctly, and seems to be performed in Aramaic.
So, does anyone know if there will be subtitles? Heard anything?
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Post by Hucklebubba on Sept 22, 2003 2:32:40 GMT -5
I briefly considered telling you that we already discussed The Passion many moons ago, but I didn't want to be the bad guy. Besides, there's no reason we can't start another thread about it.
And now that I think about it, we didn't discuss the movie itself, so much as the political hackles it was raising.
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Post by BDC on Sept 22, 2003 9:24:26 GMT -5
I remember the discussion over the implications of the movie, but not the film itself. Honestly, I don't really want to focus on how the Jewish community is going to be upset about it. I want to know if anyone has read anything new about the film. Subtitles? What was cut? Are the theives in it? (I hope so.)
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Post by artificial_person on Sept 22, 2003 16:31:52 GMT -5
The film is fleshed out by the visions of St. Anna Katherina (Anne Catherine) Emmerich, which chronicled the last days of Christ's life. I read that a scene involving the Jewish officials constructing the cross for Jesus' crucifixion in the temple was cut due to pressure from the whole anti-semitism issue. Although the scene was based on what Anna recorded from her visions, historians say it is very improbable that such an event would have taken place.
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Post by artificial_person on Sept 22, 2003 16:35:11 GMT -5
Anyone heard a release date yet?
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Post by BDC on Sept 22, 2003 18:41:38 GMT -5
March of '04 is what IMDB would have you believe.
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Post by DarthToad on Sept 22, 2003 20:49:08 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think Mel Gibson is anti-semetic, he's just, well, I don't want to say stupid, but just, well, being a bit sophmoric, if that's the right word to use. I mean, this is how he sees it, but also it seems that Jesus is going to be a forgiving character and not some wrathful dude putting the fear of god into people. But then again, some of what is shown could make people think that Jews are barbaric/whatever anti-semetic bs they'd throw around. Well, as long as I can walk across the street safely without bigots throwing bottles at me, I'll be okay.
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Post by artificial_person on Sept 22, 2003 23:05:18 GMT -5
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Post by michaelmyers15 on Sept 22, 2003 23:19:24 GMT -5
Concerning the release date: I'm pretty sure they're going to want it out right around Lent, maybe on Ash Wednesday in 2004.
With the whole anti-semitism thing, I don't think it'll have as much of an impact as people are saying. Following the logic that a movie that portrays a small group of people (The Jewish high priests 2000 years ago) in a bad light would cause viewers to hate all Jews today, one could also infer that Schindler's List would incite hatred towards Germans, etc. And following that logic, why wouldn't, if the filmmakers were going to shift the blame completely on the Roman soldiers, wouldn't that incite hatred against modern-day Italians? I don't know, maybe I'm just stupid, but I think people are making too big a deal out of it. All the press info has focused on the negative aspect concerning the ADL, while completely ignoring the support from the Vatican and praise for the film itself by people like Jack Valenti and Matt Drudge (Who is Jewish, I think).
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Post by DarthToad on Sept 23, 2003 16:59:06 GMT -5
The thing is, there's no established anti-German or anti-Italian movement, while there's already a number of established anti-Semetic movements that will always jump at the chance of getting more people to join. That's why it could have that negitive impact.
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Post by Genetic Mishap on Sept 23, 2003 19:13:29 GMT -5
The thing is, there's no established anti-German They do have a bad reputation, though...holocausts'll do that to you. Just yesterday there was an annoucement at my school that you could be an exchange student to Germany, and my class just made Nazi jokes the rest of the hour. |
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Post by DarthToad on Sept 23, 2003 21:18:04 GMT -5
Well, still, that's just joking around. I bet they don't really hate Germans. In fact, I bet many of them are German.
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Post by DocD83 on Sept 23, 2003 21:31:02 GMT -5
I tend to be a bit wary of people who try to change a movie (or whatever) without having seen it. Yes it is easier to change at that stage, but it is hard to get a feel for what the problem is--if it even exists--without having seen it. Remember that commencement speech fiasco a while back (was it Harvard?), where the speaker put the word "Jihad" in the title? It caused a big fuss, but the speech came and went and no one wound up being offended.
One thing I've realized over the years is that people who have a predilection to anti-semitism (or whatever bigotry) are going to find justification anywhere, or create it themselves. (Similarly, anyone screwed up enough to have a movie make them kill someone was probably going to do it sooner or later. Hardly the movie's fault. But that's a bit of a tangent.) So I tend to be very callous about offending people in entertainment, because I don't think cutting it would make a difference and I wouldn't want to infringe on the filmakers' right to expression (or my right to hear off-color jokes).
I realized that after the evil of the Simpsons failed to turn me into an axe murderer, and the opening lyric in Aladdin failed to turn that axe-murderousness towards the arab community.
Or maybe I'm just wierd that way.
ETA: Completely different influences made me an axe murderer....is he joking? You'll never know! HAHAHA!
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Post by Uber on Sept 23, 2003 21:55:37 GMT -5
I want to know if anyone has read anything new about the film. Subtitles? , Gibson had changed his mind and will include subtitles with the theatrical release. There are a couple of curious fights coming up in the next few months. In addition to finding a distributor, the film has yet to be rated. Surely a movie which contains a gory crucifiction will have difficulty selling itself as an R-rated film. That would force either an NC-17 rating or a release as an unrated film. |
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Post by artificial_person on Sept 28, 2003 10:39:09 GMT -5
Inspired by this thread I decided to go read the mutant review of The Last Temptation of Christ. Shockingly, however, there wasn't one. So I settled for reading J's new review of Star Trek: Generations.
And then I realised the connection. Jesus and Picard both face similar "Last Temptation" scenes. Christ is tempted by living the life of an ordinary man, having a wife and children, rather than saving others. Picard faces basically the same temptation while in the nexus.
In the end, they both end up overcoming the temptation of normalcy, of having a family (although in both cases the temptations are only illusions, one from the devil, the other the nexus) in order to save lives (entire planets in fact). Or maybe I'm just extremely bored and slightly insane and therefore am finding connections that actually do not exist...
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