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Post by JasonKelp on Jul 15, 2004 16:46:30 GMT -5
Well, I read Justins' reviews of Star Trek films and I must say that they are the most ridiculus film reviews I've ever read. No offense, but they are very subjective and the author seems to have a very negative opinion on Star Trek. And obviously the author (Justin) didn't really pay attention to what people said on the films. You said that things are strange or so and explained the films as if they were some silliy people jumping around and killing aliens without a reason. But that proves that you didn't understand much of the film. First my links to the different reviews (I only read 4 of them): Review of ST:Generations www.mutantreviewers.com/rgenerations.htmlReview of ST:First Contact www.mutantreviewers.com/rfirstcontact.htmlReview of ST:Insurrection www.mutantreviewers.com/rstartrek9.htmlReview of ST:Nemesis www.mutantreviewers.com/rstartrek10.htmlI will quote wrong facts and/or subjective content that hasn't anything to do there where it is and tell you the right facts and/or that what you wrote is highly subjective. Note: It is obvious that I am a Trekkie myself. But I assure you that I didn't write my own opinion in the following. I only wrote facts that are stated in the film. I assumed some things, but I have always stated what I assume. But let us start:
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Post by JasonKelp on Jul 15, 2004 16:47:26 GMT -5
ST:Generations
The whole scene on the holodeck was kind of a joke by the crew, imitating an old sailor tradition.
Well, I never heard Worf saying anything about a bumblebee on the warp nacelles. Anyway, an insect on one of them would freeze within seconds cause it would be in the vacuum of space.
Obviously you didn't understand the term "racism"
This proves that you don't know anything about the Klingon culture
The vessel wasn't driven inside the wave, the ships were obviously surprised by it and couldn't escape it. By the way the wave is a highly unstable and massive change in local space curvature that provides access to another universe. And if you know anything about physics you'll have to admit that such a thing would be very dangerous to anyone who gets stuck in the turbulences.
And if you'd listened to what Guinan says later in the film, you'd know that, before this contact with the Nexus, nobody onboard those two ships knew about the it nor were addicted to it.
The planet Dr. Soran wanted to be touched by the Nexus ws inhabited
Oh yes, they do. It is explained that some suns near the path the Nexus follows have an influence on it. As Dr. Soran found a way to stop nuclear fusion within the suns, he could blow them up and change the gravitational balance in those sectors. This affected the Nexus's course so that it finally touched Viridian 3's surface, were Soran waited for it to suck him into the other universe.
No, it wouldn't. In the beginning of the film, we have seen that an encounter with the Nexus in open space is lethal. t destroyed two spaceships, how do you wanna survive inside it wearing only a spacesuit?
What do you expect a Star Trek movie to be? An action film à-la Rambo? There are some really interesting discussions inside of the Nexus
Well, we could of course separate Picard into three and both running after Soran, evade disruptor shots AND search a remote control device. JK
If you had listened to anything said in the film, you'd know that Dr. Soran installed a hidden transmitter in Geordi LaForge's Visor. Geordi is blind and has some kind of eye-replacement, too long to explain now. Dr. Soran cause the Visor to send the data both to Geordi's brain and to the Klingon ship. When Geordi was in main engineering, there was a panel showing the Enterprise's shield modulation. And if you know the modulation of a shield, you can re-configure your weapons so that they pass through it.
So the shields were useless against the Klingon Bird of Prey and the disruptor shots directly hit the hull, which caused much damage.
And they didn't overload the core. The system was just highly damaged. And as a matter/antimatter reaction system is highly sophisticated (Research on this form of energy-creation in Reality proves that), even only one non-working part of the whole system could cause a containment breach.
Were did you take the Canade and USA thing from? Nothing of that is mentioned in the film.
And it wasn't some bad piloting. The shockwave that was caused by the explosion of the warp core and the secondary hull (the "lower half") disabled the impulse drive. So the already badly damaged ship crashed on the planet due to its' gravitation. Do you know what gravitation is? ;-)
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Post by JasonKelp on Jul 15, 2004 16:47:55 GMT -5
ST:First Contact
Again, I have to insist on the fact that Star Trek is not an action show/film. I can't understand how you got a Trekkie, except fore some things obviously don't know ANYTHING about the Star Trek universe.
Same thing about the comment about the phaser
Wrong, the borg-ship is distroyed by the whole fleet the the Federation dispatched to fight the borg-cube (Borg ships have geometric forms like spheres or cubes)
Very interesting. I did't see any chilii or jalopeno peppers in the combat scene. Are you sure you're not hallucinating?
Picard once was assimilated (Transformed into a Borg) himself. Then he was de-assimilated some days later and due to the collective mind of the Borg, he had much knowledge about the Borg ship. As the Borg-cube was already in a bad shape, Picard gave the order to fire on a weak point.
And you forget the fact that Picard could still hear the voice of the collective, so we may guess and say that he heard some kind of a status report about the borg ship.
The time-travel plan was obviously plan 2, otherwise the Borg would have travelled back in their own territory, without risking to have all of their attack ships destroyed.
You forget to tell that the Enterprise followed the Borg ship back in history to prevent them from assimilating Earth. And Picard don't take vacation, they try to repair the damage already done by the Borg, which attacked the rocket base from which the first human FTL (Faster than light) space shuttle was launched, making the first contact with aliens possible. Again, you seem to have no knowledge about all this, although all this has been clearly explained in the movie
1. I don't remember any crew member of the Enterprise shooting at an animal.
2. The time travel leads to the time of the THIRD world war. But as it seems that you didn't pay much attention to the history lessons at school, you don't know that around the year 2063, Hitler is already dead for more than a century!!!
I don't deny that the vision Gene Roddenberry had of the future is very utopic, but I think a world that doesn't need money is much more advanced than ours.
Why isn't it? If you don't need money, there is no poverty. And why is Picard lying? What he says is true, the 24th Century as it is showed in Star Trek correspond exactly to what he said.
Yes, there have been. But obviously you didn't pay attention to the fact that Latinum is not used for paying on Earth. It is used elsewhere in the Federation.
BTW: Latinum is a very rare, liquid substance that is mined in nebulas. To pay with it, bars of gold are filled with Latinum, so that you don't have to pay in liters on latinum.
1. The Borg Home territory is located at the other end of the galaxy, so it is rather hard to get there with a war fleet :-)
2. Of course the Enterprise had the duty to fight them because she was the last Federation ship! History was changed by the Borg, and all other Federation ships never existed!
3. You forget the fact that most parts of the Enterprise and large numbers of crewmembers were assimilated by the Borg AND that their shield system adapts to Federation weapons. And I guess it's rather hard to shoot an enemy who's invulnerable to your weapons, or am I wrong?
Why is it a wrong decision? If Picard hadn't come to engineering to help Data escapting the Borg (Data was captured by them before, but they couldn't assimilate him cause he's not human, he's an android), Data would probably not have deactivated the self destruct sequence.
And by the way: The Borg had no idea how to deactivate the sequence, it was Data who did it, fooling the Borg-queen.
Nice thought that several hundred future guys would disturb history, but it's
1. Better than a Borg-controlled history and 2. They choosed a small island to land on, probably on that wasn't inhabited. So they probably wouldn't have interfered with history
His "soldiers" were not hurt, they were assimilated and started to fight their former crew!!! Obviously you forgot to mention that when you wrote the review.
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Post by JasonKelp on Jul 15, 2004 16:48:52 GMT -5
ST:Insurrection
Once a culture has developed the warp drive, it is only a matter of time before they exit their solar system. So it is better to contact them before they do, cause otherwise they may encounter unfriendly people like the Borg, the Breen or the Cardassians.
Some orders like the "Omega directive" (Too long to explain, ask if you wanna know) are more powerful than the prime directive.
And mostly the people who violated the prime directive were either in great danger, crash-landed on a planet so they had no choice but to contact the people living there, followed an order like the Omega directive or crash-landed and were discovered by the pre-warp civilisation living on that planet
I doubt he would
And where is the proof that he didn't crash-land accidentaly? And what the hell is TiVos? I know much about Star Trek technology, but never heard this term
Only criminal Star Trek officers or organisations like Section 31 (A kind of CIA, but even more dangerous) broke the prime directive
I doubt they were on holidays :-P
To be exact, there is metaphasic radiation generated by the planets' rings which continually regenerates the genetic structure of people.
They seemed to be much more advanced in thinking than us. Obviously, they thought that building up an all-new civilisation would lead to the destruction of Ba'Ku (The planet the action takes place on), as has lead and still leads to the destruction of Earth (I mean in reality).
hey believe that letting a maschine do someone's work take away a part of this person.
And BTW: I haven't seen any wooden nintendos on the planet. Again, you state wrong facts. That is very unprofessional for a review-writer.
They didn't cloak their outpost down there. If you'd know a bit about the Star Trek universe, you had recognised that the outpost was hidden behind the hologram of a rock-formation.
And indeed, we will probably not see the suits again, cause the whole action was illegal and probably Section 31 was involved, too. And those people don't care about laws.
Data gets shot after he discovered the real plan of the Federation. That damages some of his memory chips. After that, he becomes somehow mad and his ethic principles took over his control. And as the relocation of a species is well... Not good ;-), he starts to fight the people who plan it
Just to mention it: F. Murray Abraham plays the So'na Leader Ru'afo.
And the So'na are Ba'ku, but, after a little war, they left were banned from the planet and then started to attack some minor species.
But as they left the planet, the effect of the metaphasic radiation stopped, and they started to become older. So they used medicine to maintain themselves alive. If you had listened to what people said, you'de know that this has absolutely nothing to do with plastic surgery. They exchange the skin of their people cause it probably started to foul.
Ru'afo doesn't care about the Prime directive. Did you forget that he isn't even part of the Federation?
They are in a region named "Briar Patch", which is ful with interferences that block communication.
And Picard doesn't want to relocate them himself, he wants to protect them!
You forget to mention combat drones and shuttles shooting homing devices at people so that they can be beamed up by a ship in the orbit (The transporters of the shuttles/ships couldn't get a lock on the people because of interferences eminating from some strange materials inside of the mountains, dunno what it was).
So it isn't a just walk from A to B
Obviously, you didn't understand much of the film
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Post by JasonKelp on Jul 15, 2004 16:49:14 GMT -5
ST:Nemesis
That is a matter of opinion, I'll come back on that later
Yes, in this case you are right. It is very illogical that Wesley Crusher got back to the ship.
Again: If you'd know anything about Star Trek, you'd know that Voyager made it back home. And obviously, Captain Janeway was promoted to Admiral. And she doesn't pop up at his tableTV unit, she gives him new orders via subspace communication.
Isn't that appropriate? The last act of the Original Enterprise's crew was making possible peace between Klingons and the Federation.
The last film-act of the TNG crew is making possible peace between Federation and Romulans.
You are wrong. Shinzon was created so that he could grow up much faster. But when this "feature" of him wasn't activated, his cellular structure started to de-generate. He needed Picard to survive.
Again, you expect wrong things from Star Trek. Star Trek isn't an action movie, it was thought to be a tolerant serie. Did you know that Star Trek:The original Serie was the first TV-show that had multiple nationalities as main characters? Uhura, a black women, Chekov, Russian, at that time the USA's worst enemy!!! and Sulu, a asiatic man.
And Star Trek was the first TV-show showing a kiss between two people of different skin colors. You understand what I mean?
The film is about changes in life, death and the feeling that you are no longer exeptional. It ask "How would you feel if you'd find out that you've been cloned."
I don't call these themes undeveloped, and nor should you. Maybe you didn't understand them, but they are not undeveloped.
Yes, it shows that you like to nitpick. (No offense)
Again, you didn't pay attention to what people say.
They weren't inside of the gas cloud, they were beside it. You would have seen it if they'd been inside it. And the battle is completely different from the one of ST:II , in multiple ways.
For example: The ST:II battle was fought out INSIDE of a nebula and because of the Nebula the shields were inactive. Neither nor happens in Nemesis.
And why doesn't it make sense? It took people a long time to find Data's other "brother", so why should they have found B-4 (The name of the android)?
Okay, this is WRONG!!! It is not a Romulan breaking into her mind! It is a Reman! It appears that you didn't understand half of the film, cause both Remans and Romulans are in the center of the story. So Romulans can't, but Remans can't. That's something completely different!
The Reman broke into her mind twice (One scene was cut out of the film, but you can see it on the DVD), so as a telepath, she may be able to sense him.
In one TNG-episode, she did that, too. She "scanned" the Enterprise with her telepathic powers to find out weather there were many survivors after a catastrophy.
I admit that some of the crewmembers had not very much to do. That is sad.
However, the fight is not that boring. Obviously, it's not your taste, but did you forget that a review should be objective, not subjective?
And theres a thing that you didn't notice: The Sovereign class has only 24 decks. But in the film, the Remans invade it on deck 29, which is impossible. And from deck 29 they fall down into a jefferies tube, and then the viceroy (The Reman Riker fights) falls down into an abyss.
Most Trekkies noticed this error. Obviously you did. I wonder how much knowledge about Star Trek you had during your Trekkie-period? (You somewhere said you were an ex-Trekkie)
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Post by JasonKelp on Jul 15, 2004 16:49:29 GMT -5
Okay, these were most of the errors.
So, dear reades, you see: More than 80% of what dear Justin wrote is COMPLETELY WRONG OR SUBJECTIVE
I find it very unprofessional from you Justing, to have such a film-review side, but to write that subjective reviews. I didn't yet read other reviews, but I may write other texts like this if I have reason to.
Greetings, Jason Kelp
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Post by puggyd on Jul 15, 2004 17:11:07 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Best. Joke. Ever.
...right?
Oh dear...
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Post by TheLuckyOne on Jul 15, 2004 17:20:35 GMT -5
This proves that you don't know anything about the Klingon culture Oooooooh... dissed! Justin got served! Jason, no offense (because clearly you put, um, a LOT of time in on this), but you do realize that ALL film reviews are subjective, right? And ours especially so, because we're often going for humor in our reviews, which occasionally (okay, usually) supercedes the necessity to have actual, 100% factual information in them? Y'know how comedians exaggerate and even out-and-out lie about stuff during their routines? Is any of this making sense to you? I think the ability to entertain (most) readers was probably more important to Justin than getting every minute Star Trek detail dating back to 1960-whatever correct. (Just out of curiosity, ever see Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back? Or Comic Book Guy on the Simpsons?) So, are we thinking that Fearless Leader managed to get ahold of a computer at camp after all? Or is Poolie subtly turning us against our former master? -D
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Post by PoolMan on Jul 15, 2004 18:37:44 GMT -5
Oh no, no no. I'd do a lot to our beloved Head Honcho, but I've always got his back when it matters.
JasonKelp:
Thank you for your painfully researched comparisons. They obviously took some time to lay out. All I can say in response is that if you feel our adored 500+ film review veteran leader Justin (who isn't even here to defend himself at this time, so please accept my response as his right hand man) is unqualified to review Star Trek movies, then please feel free to enjoy the rest of your tour around the internet, and don't feel too hung up on staying around our measly little encampment.
This isn't to say you aren't entitled to your opinion; quite the opposite, you certainly are. However, so are we.
There are people who share your view of these movies that you obviously feel are beyond critique, I invite you to find them.
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Post by FiveMileSmile on Jul 15, 2004 19:01:12 GMT -5
Oh, I can die happy now. This is the reason this message board was invented - simply for this thread. Nothing else could possibly compare to it's majesty. I'm so jealous. I wish someone would do this to some of my reviews... Anyway, in conclusion - Mutant Rich
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Post by Hucklebubba on Jul 15, 2004 19:02:54 GMT -5
There's a certain degree of futility inherent in replying to someone this dogmatically self-assured. Oh well. And BTW: I haven't seen any wooden nintendos on the planet. This, and the countless other, "Hey, there weren't any of those!" nitpicks of its ilk make a strong case for the institution of mandatory remedial courses on detecting sarcasm. Did you know that Star Trek:The original Serie was the first TV-show that had multiple nationalities as main characters? Uhura, a black women, Chekov, Russian, at that time the USA's worst enemy!!! and Sulu, a asiatic man. Aha! The genesis of contrived diversity and political correctness! Now we know who to blame. And what the hell is TiVos? I know much about Star Trek technology... ...but evidently not so much about fairly common-use items found in that mist-shrouded wilderness known as Real Life.
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Post by DTH on Jul 15, 2004 19:04:07 GMT -5
You know, if Jason were a lawyer, I'd hire him every time.
But if I went on the stand, would I need one of those black wheel chair thingies that makes beeps and has flashing lights?
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Post by pfrsue on Jul 15, 2004 19:56:53 GMT -5
So Romulans can't, but Remans can't. That's something completely different! Golly, I'm glad that was clarified! We will all be assimilated. Resistance is futile. Repeat after me now: We are all individuals. Okay, in all seriousness, I do have to respect such an impressive - dare I say obsessive - depth of knowledge in the subject matter. Absolutely Trekkeriffic. Really. But the core of the MRFH creed (aside from Caesar the Pug and Poolman's venerated kilt) is that we are all free and even (yea verily, I say unto you) encouraged to write subjectively... whether we agree with each other or not. Encyclopedic knowledge of every cobwebbed corner of every cinematic genre (even the mystique that is Bill Shatner's hairpiece collection) isn't part of the job description. The ability to form an opinion and then effectively communicate that opinion to our readership is. I hope you understand that, Jason. Life's waaaay too short to take our MRFH Grand Poobah to task for not agreeing with you. Live long, prosper, all that good stuff.
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Post by Lissa on Jul 15, 2004 20:15:13 GMT -5
I would laugh much harder if I wouldn't sit there and compare the movies and books of Harry Potter in such obsessive detail. But given that I'm currently on a listserve that debates if prefects are allowed to take points from Houses and writes epistom-a-whootchiemawatchie reviews on the Mauraders, I should probably keep my mouth shut. Maybe.
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Post by dajaymann on Jul 15, 2004 23:13:04 GMT -5
Repeat after me now: We are all individuals. I'm not.
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