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Post by Lissa on Oct 13, 2003 19:43:21 GMT -5
I can sort of understand Der Germ's list of four there, if only because I believe we managed (eep) to hit every single one in the novel we're working on. (But a.) not with the same character, and b.) the character with the bad relationship with his parents has a bad relationship because he's a white collar attitude in a blue collar family.) Eek. Okay. Enough guilt.
And I agree with Kitsune. One of the things I DID really like about My Big Fat Greek Wedding was that the characters actually ::Gasp:: had a RELATIONSHIP before they had sex!!!! Wow!
How about intelligent people from the Midwest?
Liss
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Post by Kitsune on Oct 13, 2003 22:09:40 GMT -5
Frightened person: Oh no, the Pentegon is going to blow up the world! Geek: Do you have a computer? I can over ride their system! Person: No, we don't! Geek: Lap top? Person: No. Geek: Cash Register?! Person: Not for miles! Geek: Damnit, we don't have TIME for travel! Where's my gameboy?! Bahahahaha! Allright then, how about the typical kid that's so spoiled he/she can buy good grades? Or the nerd that ends up being the hero of the story? |
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Post by Der Germ on Oct 14, 2003 0:38:16 GMT -5
OR, how 'bout this. The group of young men who aren't totally and absolutely obsessed with SEX!
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Post by Lissa on Oct 14, 2003 5:40:26 GMT -5
OR, how 'bout this. The group of young men who aren't totally and absolutely obsessed with SEX! Is that realistic at all? Seriously, though, yeah. Most kids I know aren't as bad as the ones in movies. (Although one of the most classic moments in American Pie was when the guys interrupted Kevin's speech to imitate badly dubbed martial arts movies. That was so.... NORMAL.) |
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Post by Hucklebubba on Oct 14, 2003 11:21:19 GMT -5
OR, how 'bout this. The group of young men who aren't totally and absolutely obsessed with SEX! Nonexistent. But, it was a nice thought. I've got one: In Westerns, there needs to be at least one preacher who isn't an ex-notorious gunman. Actually, this is one archetype that I like, but it does get old. |
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Post by DocD83 on Oct 14, 2003 11:52:24 GMT -5
You raggin' on Wolfwood?
How about one that actually wants equality rather than subjugation of men?
I'd settle for some guys who can exhibit self control.
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Post by Lissa on Oct 14, 2003 16:36:41 GMT -5
How about one that actually wants equality rather than subjugation of men? No kidding!!!!! Reasons I refuse to call myself a feminist.  Howabout a cop that's two days from retirement that DOESN'T get shot? Okay, so it's a cheap Simpsons joke already. It's been one of those days.... |
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Post by Head Mutant on Oct 14, 2003 19:43:01 GMT -5
Or how about a computer nerd who doesn't automatically know how to hack his school's computer, nevermind the IRS, with a glib comment and a few quick keystrokes?
Or a Danish girl who isn't a spear-wielding Viking?
Danes: They're the *new* Canadians!
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Post by neutral on Oct 15, 2003 9:03:54 GMT -5
An asian hero or villain who doesn't know a martial art.
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Post by mutantclare on Oct 15, 2003 12:49:05 GMT -5
You don't call yourself a feminist just because many feminists portrayed in movies aren't actually interested in equality of the sexes? I call myself a feminist because the definition of feminism is this 1) the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes 2) organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests. Any definition other than that is somebody else's problem and not mine. Sing it sister: 66.226.74.68/youare.shtmlA rant, not really directed at you personally. What you said is just a sentiment I've heard from women a lot that I haven't ever really understood. |
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Post by Lexiness on Oct 15, 2003 14:31:12 GMT -5
Or a Danish girl who isn't a spear-wielding Viking? Danes: They're the *new* Canadians! ::: momentarily lifts her braid-clad head out of a gigantic horn flagon of pilsner, and gestures menancingly with spear in hand :::: Don't make me come over there and pillage...your fridge! Oh yes, I know how to scare you...  How about a rich kid who *isn't* portrayed as totally stuck up and automatically popular simply because of the money their parents have... ? |
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Post by Lissa on Oct 15, 2003 21:43:02 GMT -5
You don't call yourself a feminist just because many feminists portrayed in movies aren't actually interested in equality of the sexes? I call myself a feminist because the definition of feminism is this 1) the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes 2) organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests. A rant, not really directed at you personally. What you said is just a sentiment I've heard from women a lot that I haven't ever really understood. Not taken personally  Actually, it's not movies that make me think that way. It's the college I went to. I went to a small liberal arts college that was full of pretentiously liberal pot smoking Communist-idealizing treehugging students.* It sounds really harsh, but believe me, this was true for the majority of the students I knew. I actually fall quite liberal, when compared with the rest of the country. But the majority of students I knew were happy to grant rights to others... especially if it denied rights to those in power. A feminist on my campus WAS someone who didn't want equality, but the subjugation of men. Maybe they didn't say it like that, but that's what their beliefs boiled down to. While I agree there's a lot of lousy men out there that have really done harm to women, there's a lot of lousy women out there that have done harm to men, too. I remember telling one guy about an experience I had on a farm. My best friend and I were working there, and the farmer's son hadn't been too warm to us. Eventually, by the end of the summer, he declared us "all right" and actually said we'd convinced him that women could do an honest day's work. I told this guy at school that some people needed visual proof, not just rhetoric. He countered by saying "that's exactly the kind of crap that keeps women (excuse me, womyn, or even womxn- can't have that "y" for the Y chromosome in there) down." Excuse me?  Anyway. My experiences in college were such that they scarred me for life Oh, all right, so that's an exaggeration, but it's a habit I got into in college and have never bothered to break out of. As I've entered the scientific world, believe it or not, I've had experiences that have enforced that. I've watched talented scientists be turned down for grants or scholarships because they are white men, while less deserving women have won them. (I've no problem with it when the woman is more deserving. But when it's this one chick who freaking plagurizes and gets the award, and the guy she plagurizes off doesn't, then I get annoyed.) I'm also finding myself a bit of a throwback to the feminist movement, but that's another subject all together Hope that explains it! Liss * Edit and disclaimer. Like I said, it seems harsh. And I'm not judging all liberals. But there was a HUGE number of people that fit every single word of that sentence at my school. Not drinking leftist environmentalists, but without a doubt pot-smoking Communist-idealizing treehuggers. The pot speaks for itself. Many of them DID try to preach Communism at me when I tried to start an Objectivists club, and a few were even registered members of the party. And a LOT of them saw nothing wrong with driving spikes into trees to kill loggers. Sorry. Just wanted to clarify. |
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Post by Hucklebubba on Oct 16, 2003 1:53:34 GMT -5
Grrrr!! Argh!! Persecution!!
I got it covered Toad, you can sit this one out.
Not so much a rare archetype, as a rare event:
Good Guy has Bad Guy rendered helpless. Bad Guy pleads for mercy. Good Guy says "okay," and turns his back like an idiot. Bad Guy decides to not pull out a hidden gun, and thereby make it okay for Good Guy to turn around and kill him. Bad Guy goes quietly to jail.
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Post by DocD83 on Oct 16, 2003 14:30:34 GMT -5
I've been turned off to the whole "change the language" side of feminism since I first read about it because the newspaper quoted a prominent supporter of the change as saying, "We are not a suffix!" Erm, yes...if "men" is the root that would make you a prefix, not a suffix. If you don't know that you probably shouldn't be messing around with my language. (There are a couple other reasons too, but I think I'm being enough of a jackass today.)
I'm actually kinda curious to see how many of you actually support language-changing things like that. If I wasn't so lazy I'd put up a poll.
Rare archetypes....secret computers not hooked up to the net, or perhaps air ducts too small to crawl through rather than being filled with lasers. Oh! I don't want to ever see another "march someone in at gunpoint pretending they're your prisoner to get into the secret stronghold/base camp/tightly knit terrorist organization" situation.
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Post by mutantclare on Oct 17, 2003 1:10:00 GMT -5
Language comes last. Language only changes after people who speak a language change. Trying to make it happen any other way just illustrates a lack of understanding about what language is.
Cause I'm woman. W-O-M-A-N.
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