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Post by Robert on Oct 29, 2003 16:37:58 GMT -5
I recnetly got meh hands on Clerks! (and the cartoon.)
It may not seem special. I am however, 15 years old, living in England, where Clerks nor Clerks the Cartoon are distributed to. I had to look for ages on the net for them both on DVD. I finaly found them on Amazon.com. I personally think Clerks the Cartoon has been underrated by alot of people.
Anyway, I was exploring the DVD and came across the alternative Clerks ending where Dante got shot (Hey, the warning was on the thread title).
I was thinking, would there have been any way that Smith could have continued the chronicals if he wasn't advised to change the ending. And would we of had the vast amounts of merchandise we have now?
Use your imagination people.
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Post by jenfrazer on Oct 29, 2003 20:31:50 GMT -5
Dante's not a character in Mallrats, Chasing Amy or Dogma. IMDb tells me he's in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, which I haven't seen. I have no idea about Jersey Girl.
So I don't think it would have had much effect on plotlines.
Now, would it have affected the popularity of the movie? I can't speak for others, but I would have found the killer ending annoying. Certainly, the filmed version was open-ended.
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Post by DarthToad on Oct 29, 2003 22:10:22 GMT -5
Personally, I didn't mind it, but I did find it a little excessive. It's like continuing a movie after the resolution. Would it have affected the series in popularity? Probably not. Mallrats, Chasing Amy, and the rest would've been a little bit different, but not much. Also, maybe all of Dante's siblings/relitives in the other movies would've been killed. Now that would've been fun.
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Post by Landatauron on Oct 30, 2003 6:20:34 GMT -5
I thought the "death of Dante" ending would have been a bit too much. As for effecting the rest of the View Askewniverse, We wouldn't have had a Clerks the Animated series. Which your right, totally underrated. I thought it was great. Dante is also in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back but only as a minor part. So it reall wouldn't have effected that movie too much.
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Post by Robert on Oct 30, 2003 9:08:35 GMT -5
Jay and Silent Bob Stirkes Back is the last of the Jersy Chronicals made (But not the last in chronologicality ) Dogma was made to end the Jersy Chronials. Jersey Girls is just a Smith movie, nothing to do with Jay, Bob, Dante, Randal, Brodie etc etc...
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Post by Lissa on Oct 30, 2003 9:14:46 GMT -5
I'm one of the few people on Earth it seems that hated Clerks.
Parts of it are funny, and it's not I mind the language or anything like that- although I don't swear much myself. It's the depressing philosophy behind it. Clerks is like the antithesis to October Sky. I just can't get behind the slacker philosophy. The one character I could emphathise with (Veronica) was treated as a shrew for the entire movie.
Of course, this hasn't stopped me from at least watching the other Kevin Smith movies. I liked Chasing Amy but find it a highly uncomfortable movie to watch. (While the whole conversion of the lesbian thing is unbelievable and unnecessary to me (she could have just been bi, for crying out loud), I find the relationship parts very real and honest.)
Dante did show up in Jay and Silent Bob, but it's so minimal a role it wouldn't have been a big deal if he hadn't.
Lissa Just rambling
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Post by Genetic Mishap on Nov 3, 2003 22:54:19 GMT -5
Ditto Lissa's opinion on Clerks. None of my movie rental stores had it, so I had to buy it. Did not like it. Incidentally, a few weeks after I bought it, it was now available for rent in the video stores. Grand. I did like Mallrats, Dogma and the series, though. Didn't see Chasing Amy.
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Post by Landatauron on Nov 4, 2003 0:05:13 GMT -5
While I like Clerks, I would rate it 2nd from the bottom of View Askewniverse movies. Right above Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. And in case anyone cares the list is as follows.
1. Chasing Amy 2. Mallrats 3. Dogma 4. Clerks 5. Jay and Slient Bob Strike Back
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Post by Robert on Nov 4, 2003 6:45:15 GMT -5
Off topic now, but 10 points for the man/woman who can get the right chronologicallity of the Jersy Chronicals.
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Post by DarthToad on Nov 4, 2003 13:46:58 GMT -5
Order they came out in (if that's what you were asking): 1. Clerks 2. Mallrats 3. Chasing Amy 4. Dogma 5. Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back
How I rate them in Awesomely Awesomeness (TM) 1. Dogma 2. Mallrats 3. Clerks 4. Chasing Amy 5. Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back
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Post by PowerBum on Nov 4, 2003 15:54:31 GMT -5
Order in movie continuity: 1. Mallrats 2. Clerks 3. Chasing Amy 4. Dogma 5. Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back
I think that's right. J&SB might not be where I put it though.
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Post by Landatauron on Nov 5, 2003 1:46:42 GMT -5
Order in movie continuity: 1. Mallrats 2. Clerks 3. Chasing Amy 4. Dogma 5. Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back I think that's right. J&SB might not be where I put it though. I think your right. In J&SBSB, Banky comments on X-Men blowing up at the box office. Which would make me think it takes place after all the rest. Plus I think the Dogma storyline starts halfway through Chasing Amy. In Amy, Jay comments and having to catch a bus to Chi-Town.
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Post by jamus34 on Nov 6, 2003 21:30:55 GMT -5
Actually Clerks and Mallrats happen pretty much concurrently.
In Clerks, Dante and Randall go to the chick's wake...In Mallrats TC and Brodie talk how TC killed her a couple of days prior.
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Post by The Lucky One on Nov 7, 2003 11:23:46 GMT -5
Mallrats takes place the day before Clerks; Kevin Smith has mentioned it before, and as J&SB are in both movies, they can't take place at the same time. The chronological order is:
Mallrats Clerks Clerks: The Lost Scene comic one-shot (in the middle of the movie, depicting exactly WHY Dante and Randall were chased from the funeral home) Chasing Amy Jay & Silent Bob comic miniseries (out of continuity, as some parts were later adapted into the movie J&SB Strike Back) Dogma Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back
The Clerks cartoon, one-shot comic, and Christmas Special comic are all indeterminate in time placement, though by the time of the Christmas Special, Caitlin's been in a mental institute for "years" (along with "Sailboat" Willem) and Dante's no longer together with Veronica. None of them are necessarily "in continuity," though, much like the "Bluntman and Chronic" comic story in Oni Double Feature.
.....yeah, I'm a geek. (But I do have a non-geeky girlfriend! I swear!)
In order of "awesomeness," I'm one of the iconoclasts who still likes Clerks best of them all. I'd pretend that that makes me really intellectual and mature, except the truth is that my college friends and I all loved Jay And Silent Bob Strike Back too. Go figure. After Clerks, I can't really decide on an order, actually; I love them all. If we can't have more movies, more comic stories! Please!
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