Hilasophy
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Post by Hilasophy on May 25, 2007 16:23:31 GMT -5
I went to a 10:30 showing last night after work. It was full of teenagers and a lot of them had to leave part way through (for curfew???I don't understand why people were getting up and leaving part way through the movie but there were a lot of them...)
**spoilers**
I liked the attention to reference detail, the audio from the ride during the transition to Jack's weird desert dream was my favorite. For the most part I liked it, Dead Man's really set a low bar though, so I was bound to not be disappointed. The ending however, between Will and Elizabeth has angered me to no end. I changed the ending in the car with my friends on the way home. It goes as follows:
Barbossa takes Davy Jones' place. Will either doesn't get stabbed (or just survives). Jack returns to a wild and crazy life of pirating. Will and Elizabeth live happily ever after--This is a Disney movie people, why can't I get my gosh darn fairytale ending?!?!
From a company that changed every single Grimm fairytale to end happily when they converted it to animation, they then make up their own tale of fairies just to give us a freaking tragedy. I demand an alternate ending on the DVD...my way.
Regarding the pirate franchise. They'd be stupid not to make more movies about pirates, but did they really need to set up the plot for the next one in the last 10 minutes of the movie? How about they remove the mindless clip (Captain Will came back after ten years, really? He knocked her up? shocking) after the credits and replace it with a plug for Jack's search for the fountain of youth? That would have been much more tasteful. P.S. to Jack Sparrow, by the looks of how much 10 years and a kid effected Elizabeth Swan it would seem she already discovered the fountain of youth. You might want to just sail by her port and take a sip...and maybe give some to your pop, he was looking a little rough around the edges.
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Post by Al on May 25, 2007 17:48:44 GMT -5
I also watched it last night and enjoyed it quite a bit. It's a little long, but that's true of all three. What made this one more bearable, I think, was that even when the scenes went on a bit, they were still driving towards a goal, as opposed to DMC where literally nothing important happens during the first hour that couldn't have been summed up in three scenes or less. And, honestly, I liked the finale moreso than the Super Happy Ending I was expecting. My only real complaint was the misuse of one plot point that they built up and built up only to have it a culminate in a special effect that, as best I can recall, had no real bearing on the outcome of the film. But good times overall.
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Hilasophy
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Post by Hilasophy on May 26, 2007 0:39:46 GMT -5
Are you referring to the amazing-growing-Calypso? Ha ha ha. I totally agree with you that at least this movie was heading towards an end!
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Post by Al on May 26, 2007 6:44:31 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the one. The name was escaping me.
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Post by coccatino on May 27, 2007 14:46:12 GMT -5
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yeah- definitely better than DMC, but still not as good as the first one. I dislike ending a movie with a "maybe we're going to make another sequel" feeling.
They totally built up the whole Calypso deal and then it was kind of "meh- where'd she go?"
I think they went a little heavy on Elizabeth's screentime. And use of hats. And ewww- way to try and kiss Jack again- you are a bad person.
Keith Richards definitely should have been utilized more.
I was actually pretty happy with the way things ended because I generally don't like superhappydisneyendings, but part of me sincerely wishes that Jack the monkey had stabbed Davy's heart.
Also- I was annoyed that I had to sit through 5 full minutes of credits before the little 30 second scene at the end. That was just a heck of a lot of credits.
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Post by StarOpal on Jun 1, 2007 18:32:09 GMT -5
Spoilers ahead! Yarr!
Still deciding over how I feel about the movie. I must needs ponder some more.
I liked it better than DMC, but kind of a dark note to the -maybe, ha!- end of the series.
I'd say hilasophy's ending would be my first pick, but since they didn't go with that one I will mention something that bothered me about the actual ending...
So, lemme get this straight Elizabeth gets to become one of the Nine Pirate Lords (or whatever), Pirate King, AND leads everybody to kick tail in a battle, thus earning some major street (erm, sea?) cred... and... just... gives up piracy completely? And did they just leave her on the island with nothing but a dingy and pirate clothes?
And about that battle: Why wasn't she on the ship with the Singapore crew, you know, considering she was captain and all? Just wondering.
Johnny Depp, Geoffrey Rush, Bill Nighy, Chow Yun Fat, the monkey... Poor Orlando Bloom tries to compete, but he never stood a chance. *shakes head*
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Post by RobOfTheDead on Jun 2, 2007 9:23:09 GMT -5
Spoilers ahead! Yarr! Still deciding over how I feel about the movie. I must needs ponder some more. I liked it better than DMC, but kind of a dark note to the -maybe, ha!- end of the series. I'd say hilasophy's ending would be my first pick, but since they didn't go with that one I will mention something that bothered me about the actual ending... So, lemme get this straight Elizabeth gets to become one of the Nine Pirate Lords (or whatever), Pirate King, AND leads everybody to kick tail in a battle, thus earning some major street (erm, sea?) cred... and... just... gives up piracy completely? And did they just leave her on the island with nothing but a dingy and pirate clothes? And about that battle: Why wasn't she on the ship with the Singapore crew, you know, considering she was captain and all? Just wondering. Johnny Depp, Geoffrey Rush, Bill Nighy, Chow Yun Fat, the monkey... Poor Orlando Bloom tries to compete, but he never stood a chance. *shakes head* Yeah, Orlando Bloom always gets lost in the shuffle in those kind of casts and movies. LOTR, anyone? |
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Post by Razzberryfinn on Jun 3, 2007 9:47:52 GMT -5
to start off, I really like the movie, so the following aren't a list of complaints, just some things I didn't understand. Namely:
- Will's big plan was to take Davey Jones' place, and then tell his father: 'You're free to go' ?
- If that's the case, couldn't Jack stab the heart, and then tell Will 'You're free to go' ? because I thought Jack really put a lot of time into convincing Will to let him (Jack) be Davey Jones instead of him (Will).*
-Davey Jones can just walk through things? (This may have been in Dead Man's Chest, and I just missed it, but it took me by surprise when I saw it here)
-How many people does Elizabeth Swann get kissed by? Seriously.
-How many people manage to grab a rope and swing to exactly where they want to be (*Jack Sparrow*) regardless of the raging cyclone-whirlpool-thing around them?
-Multiple Jacks....what?? (and why did he and Calypso lick those crab/rocks?)
* On a side note, I was really touched by how shocked Jack was to see Will killed. Considering they betrayed each other..how many times? And in half the battes they are on opposing sides anyway. I just thought that clip was really sweet.
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Post by StarOpal on Jun 3, 2007 20:58:49 GMT -5
I was going to say: I think Davy Jones could only walk through his ship. Not just things. Part of the whole "part of the crew, part of the ship" thing?
...And then I remembered, Calypso was on The Black Pearl when they had their little talk wasn't she? Ruined my whole theory. Darn!
I, too, thought the way Jack reacted to Will getting stabbed was great.
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Post by Hilasophy on Jun 5, 2007 0:05:02 GMT -5
The fact that we don't understand a mindless, summer blockbuster tells me that it wasn't written very well. How hard is it to write a consistent, coherent, plot? It's about pirates for goodness sake. Damsel in distress, burried treasure, love triangle....this is all I ask.
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Post by aargmematey on Jun 6, 2007 16:37:03 GMT -5
- Will's big plan was to take Davey Jones' place, and then tell his father: 'You're free to go' ? - If that's the case, couldn't Jack stab the heart, and then tell Will 'You're free to go' ? because I thought Jack really put a lot of time into convincing Will to let him (Jack) be Davey Jones instead of him (Will).* -Multiple Jacks....what?? (and why did he and Calypso lick those crab/rocks?) -I think the problem with the whole Jack stabs the heart and lets Will go is that Will would still be dead. He would just be dead and "at peace" instead of dead and working on the Dutchman. -And I think the whole Multiple Jacks thing is just to show how the whole locker fiasco made him kinda crazy. -And I'm pretty sure Davy Jones could just walk through anything. He did pretty much own the ocean (before Calypso was set free). -And yeah, Jack's reaction to Will getting stabbed was just perfect. That whole scene was really well done. |
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Post by Razzberryfinn on Jun 7, 2007 22:15:58 GMT -5
actually, that makes sense, thanks. for some reason i was thinking that will's goal was to bring his father back to life, which wouldn't make sense, considering will would be dead himself if he became davey jones. will's plan to give his father peace in the afterlife is more understandable.
and the only thing that really confused me about davey jones walking through stuff was that when he was talking to calypso, he put his human hand through the bars, and when it turned back into a claw it got stuck. he tugged on it a couple times, but that didn't seem to work. so instead of pulling his claw through the bars, he just walked straight into the cell. which for shock/surprise value was great (it made me jump, anyway) but for understandability, not so much.
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Post by DarthShady on Jun 7, 2007 23:39:17 GMT -5
My thoughts in the shortest way I can think to write:
(Yharr, here be spoilers, matey! Advance at yer own risk if ye dare.)
-Like Hilasophy said, I think a movie about pirates should not be so hard to comprehend.
-This movie had me slapping my forehead within the first ten minutes. I think it was the first time someone mentioned Pirate Lords that did it.
-LOVELOVELOVE Barbossa. My favorite character, so deeply missed during DMC.
-The Realm of a Thousand Jacks scene was pretty brilliant. Enjoyed every minute of it. Loved the transition with the audio from the ride as well.
-So if a bunch of convicts about to be hanged sing a song, then all these coins start singing and the pirates all know to get together? I...just...don't...get...it...
-For some reason this really bothered me: No matter how filthy everyone else is, not a single speck of dirt ever touches Elizabeth's face.
-She also has impeccably clean teeth for the time period. Been chewing Orbit gum?
-One more thing on this subject -- after a trek through the arctic tundra and everyone else suffering from frostbite, a wafer-thin girl like her ought to be dead. And all those pirates just let her take all the blankets? I'da sacrificed her to the harsh conditions if it meant an extra layer for me.
-Jack and the Gang (TM) aren't really the most faithful bunch, but you can always count on them to come through during the last five minutes of screentime.
-Keith Richards was depressingly underused.
-They turned the world upside down. ...?
-No one who is a beloved and significant character ever really dies. This doesn't exactly make for good tragic scenes.
-In a battle between the Royal Navy the pirates, there's no way the pirates could have won. Honestly, most of them are dumb as posts, they're sloppy fighters, and their ships are outnumbered by about a hundred to one. And yet the navy retreats for no logical explanation other than Lord Beckett died in the most ridiculous fashion ever devised.
-Sexy time on a beach!
-Orlando Bloom looked really hot with that scar. Damaged skin tissue can do wonders for your appearance!
-Three whole movies and no "we wants the redhead" scene? This makes me a very sad carrot top.
-Despite all of it's flaws (and it has many,) PotC: AWE was pretty cool to look at. If I do buy this on DVD, I'll probably watch it on mute and add my own dialogue. The effects were amazing and the overall look was strinking. Impressively stylish. The film's number one best aspect.
-I give it 1 out of 4 stars. Severely disappointing, though I seem to be in the minority.
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Post by PoolMan on Jun 12, 2007 11:19:21 GMT -5
I went for a second time last night, because Darth Madler hadn't seen it yet, and persuaded me to go.
I have to admit, I REALLY enjoyed the second viewing. I got WAY more out of it. It really, really helped to not have to worry about all the storylines but just enjoy the spectacle. Same movie, same theater, same crowd, but I just enoyed it about five times as much.
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Post by Storm_Rider on Jun 15, 2007 15:51:32 GMT -5
I would have thought they'd really go into overdrive with the CGI after releasing Calypso I was envisioning a huge ghostly apparition and I dunno I guess something more than just a freak storm and a Maelstrom.
Anyway crazy movie, worth viewing, better than dead man's chest, as oppose to the second one this one really has excuses for all the action sequences, I thought the second one was waaaay to heavy on action sequences.
Indeed way too much Elizabeth screen time, not enough Barbossa and the monkey.
I have an issue with the crabs, apparently those rock crabs live only the Locker, OK fine, but when did they evolve such an understanding of human desperation and an intricate language that allows them to um... emulate sea-water? I mean great scene, nice shock value to see a ship coming over a sand dune but still.
However when it comes to the scene with many Jacks, although nicely done and I think it's there to illustrate how even madder he has become, once he leaves the Locker they don't stop, he still sees two other Jacks and a possible Future Jack member/captain of the Dutchman, I mean what's up with that? Since when do crazy people have accurate hallucinations about possible future events in their life?
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