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Post by DocD83 on Jun 16, 2007 18:01:18 GMT -5
She was commanding the fleet, not necessarily a ship. She could transfer her command to any ship in the fleet, and transfer command of the Singapore ship to the first mate. Besides, the Pearl crew would be more accepting of her than the Singapore crew.
Remember the first time we see Bootstrap it's in the hold of the Pearl (I think--my memory for these movies is about 5 minutes long). He just appears with rum for Jack, talks a bit, then disappears. So apparently it's a common skill for Dutchman crew.
Didn't most people have good teeth back then? Lack of refined sugar in the diet and all that.
My thoughts:
- What was the point of Calypso making that maelstrom to punish those who imprisoned her if only the Pearl and the Dutchman got caught in it, and neither were lost? An all-powerful sea-goddess couldn't turn both fleets into matchsticks? Is she just rusty?
- I don't think the 50-foot jibberish-talking Calypso had the emotional impact they intended if I was sitting there wondering why the ship didn't capsize. The best part of that scene was when she dissolved and I could stop being bothered by it.
- So let me get this straight: The captain of the Dutchman can only come on land once every ten years. Ok, fine. I'd like to know what would happen if he tried, but moving along--they get Davey Jones on land in a pair of buckets, and of course he could go anywhere at sea. Why in God's name can't Elizabeth either (a) rent a boat from time to time and meet Will offshore somewhere, or (b) build a jaccuzzi and fill it with seawater?
- I would have preferred more...what's the word, pragmatism? politics? from the pirates rather than (apparently) blind devotion to some treaty they had no part in making. These are all powerful, willful people, and the best power grab we see from these newcomers is everyone voting for themselves?
- Someone tell the COB to step aside and let someone else be the exposition fairy. He's bogarting the awkward emotionless monologues.
- Speaking of the newbie pirates, I thought they needed fleshing out. Particularly the French pirate and the Chinese woman.
- Enough with the rum joke. Seriously. It was funny in the first movie; now, it just seems tortured.
- If Davey Jones has a claw hand, why doesn't he make use of it to parry swords more often?
- I really liked the COB telling off Barbosa and Jack when they were arguing over who got to be captain. I wish he hadn't wussed out though.
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Post by StarOpal on Jun 16, 2007 19:13:31 GMT -5
So let me get this straight: The captain of the Dutchman can only come on land once every ten years. Ok, fine. I'd like to know what would happen if he tried, but moving along--they get Davey Jones on land in a pair of buckets, and of course he could go anywhere at sea. Why in God's name can't Elizabeth either (a) rent a boat from time to time and meet Will offshore somewhere, or (b) build a jaccuzzi and fill it with seawater? I have an answer for this one: Davey Jones wasn't suppose to be going anywhere at sea. He was suppose to be ferrying the dead around. That's why he became all squidish, because he wasn't doing the job Calypso had given him. |
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Post by sarahbot on Jun 16, 2007 22:59:27 GMT -5
I don't know how I felt about this movie. I think I need to see it a few more times. But right now I'm feeling more disappointment than joy. With Dead Man's Chest, I knew right away that while it had its issues, I liked it more than a barrel full of undead monkeys. But World's End had a lot of weak points.
The ending with Will and Elizabeth blo-ho-howed; while I appreciate them trying to change them from Pretty Sword Boy and Girl We Like to Show Soaking Wet, Elizabeth is a genuine character. Elliott & Rossio always said she was the protagonist of the first movie, and she's as much if not more of a power player in the first and second movies. So, in the third movie, she becomes king of the pirates! Yay! An interesting point, and clearly not unprecedented. She's got her own fleet of ship from Singapore under her command, and now she controls all the pirates. So she . . . gets pregnant and stays on shore for ten years? What?
And I hate to play the "omg so racist" card, but let's face it: 99.9% of the character in these movies would be rapists if they were real. And no one makes an unwarranted move on Elizabeth (except for when Barbossa "gives her" to the crew in the first movie, but I say again, unwarrranted) until we have a main character who isn't white? I hope there's a boatload of deleted scenes on the DVD explaining why Chow Yun Fat's character did that - and why he called her Calypso - because I'm just confused.
The whole "say it like you would to a lover" bit was a tad cheesy, I thought - until Pintel (or is he Righetti?) hit the line straight on the money. Now there's an example of a popcorn movie going serious for a moment that I really bought, just because he did it so straight and sweet.
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Post by DocD83 on Jun 17, 2007 8:52:14 GMT -5
The good thing about that gig is that, eventually, someone will die at sea near where Elizabeth is, so sooner or later he'll be in the same neighborhood. The dead can wait a couple days, I think. Besides, eventually the Dutchman will need repairs, right? Can't be ferrying the dead while the ship's being fixed, so they might as well make use of the time.
About Elizabeth being mistaken for Calypso....I guess the Singapore captain just isn't used to women who stand up for themselves, and given that they're heading to a meeting about Calypso, he might have just come to the logical conclusion. I, for one, wondered if it was supposed to be a surprise that the voodoo priestess was Calypso, but I don't think the captain had met her.
That may be why she wasn't so keen on commanding the Singapore crew/fleet and decided to retire. (Although, is that a stereotype? Are you sure how prone to rape real pirates were?)
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Post by PoolMan on Jun 18, 2007 11:10:45 GMT -5
An all-powerful sea-goddess couldn't turn both fleets into matchsticks? Is she just rusty? I think the point was that they got her to realize that it was Jones who betrayed her to the Brethren Court and taught them how to bind her. So the maelstrom is a way to make Jones play fair and duel the Pearl instead of just letting the fleet roll over the pirates. I don't think the 50-foot jibberish-talking Calypso had the emotional impact they intended Given that I couldn't understand a word she said either, it didn't do much for me either, except laugh at the Attack of the 50 Foot Woman effects. Why in God's name can't Elizabeth either (a) rent a boat from time to time and meet Will offshore somewhere, or (b) build a jaccuzzi and fill it with seawater? StarOpal gave a good answer to this, but I found out there's even MORE to it. Apparently there's a scene that was cut that explains much better why Jones was so upset Calypso wasn't there; his job ferrying souls was only to have lasted the FIRST ten years, and then he was to be released, free of the Dutchman and with his love. By not showing up, Calypso not only scorns him, but effectively damns him to his post. The implication is that by the end of the movie, when Will appears to Elizabeth and their son, he's free. Because she has his heart, and he's served his ten years, he's supposed to be free of the Dutchman. |
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Post by StarOpal on Jun 18, 2007 14:15:13 GMT -5
About Elizabeth being mistaken for Calypso....I guess the Singapore captain just isn't used to women who stand up for themselves, and given that they're heading to a meeting about Calypso, he might have just come to the logical conclusion. I, for one, wondered if it was supposed to be a surprise that the voodoo priestess was Calypso, but I don't think the captain had met her. Maybe PoolMan could confirm or deny this as he's seen it twice and I'm going from memory of one viewing: Will and Jack are talking to Beckett, and Feng (The Singapore Captain), Barbossa, and Elizabeth are on the Pearl. Barbossa is telling Feng about Calypso and looks over his shoulder at Elizabeth. I got the impression that Barbossa was implying that Elizabeth was the embodiment of Calypso to get Feng off his back. They would both still have to meet up at the pirate counsel to free Calypso, but Barbossa would have possession of the Ace. |
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Post by Razzberryfinn on Jun 18, 2007 20:46:14 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just a hopeless literature geek, because none of my friends noticed (and believe me, at a technical college, there is more than enough geeky-ness to go around) but did any one else think of Ernest Hemmingway's The Sun Also Rises whenever they mentioned the green flash of light? It kind of took me out of the movie a bit (although I'm sure it was unintentional) that every time they mentioned it made me think of the Florida coast. And then Jack's next mission is Ponce deLion's fountain of Youth in Florida (which I have drank from, on a side note. It tastes like eggs.) Anyway, I just thought the inclusion of the flash was odd. Also,"I liked it more than a barrel full of undead monkeys." is on awesome line  possibly quite worthy |
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Post by PoolMan on Jun 18, 2007 21:18:34 GMT -5
Barbossa is telling Feng about Calypso and looks over his shoulder at Elizabeth. I got the impression that Barbossa was implying that Elizabeth was the embodiment of Calypso to get Feng off his back. I got the same impression, yes. Either that or Feng reaches the conclusion by mistake and Barbossa doesn't care to correct him (although I think the former's more likely) |
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Post by Al on Jun 19, 2007 9:46:09 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just a hopeless literature geek, because none of my friends noticed (and believe me, at a technical college, there is more than enough geeky-ness to go around) but did any one else think of Ernest Hemmingway's The Sun Also Rises whenever they mentioned the green flash of light? Although also a self-proclaimed lit geek, I can't say I did--but that's damned interesting. I'm gonna spend all day thinking about this, now... |
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