Spider-Man 3

[blinkfan]

Tommorow Spiderman 3 opens worldwide, and I,Blinkfan, get to see it opening day. I have never been so excited for a superhero movie. It looks amazing.



Just wanted to clarify the thread's subject, Blinky. Carry on.

[Al]

Holy flying spaghetti monster, that was good.

Not quite up to the level of Spidey 2, but really really fun. Now I have to wake up for work in four hours. Whimper.

[TheLuckyOne]

*thwip!!!*

11 hours to go...


True story: on the dry erase board near our front door, I wrote "Does whatever a spider can" before leaving for work. When my wife returned home, she spent 5 minutes wondering what on earth that was supposed to mean. There's no hope for that girl.

-D

[aargmematey]

Way better than Spidey2, but still not as jaw-dropping as Spidey-1. There were a lot of amateur character decisions, and it seems like a lot of ill-used ideas. But it was still dang fun to watch.

Spoilers...ish...

And Spidey vs. Harry has got to be one of my favorite fights ever! So ridiculously brutal! I was actually wincing at some points. Awesome.

[blinkfan]

I just got back and my verdict is this: Infreakingcredible, PWNS the first 2 and makes me feel happy.

[TheLuckyOne]

MAJOR SPOILERS:








Did I call it? Did I call it?!?

Spider-Man: Comics vs. Movies

'In the end, he succumbed to the negative side effects of a supposedly enhanced Goblin formula, but not before finally regaining his sanity and rescuing his former friend from the very building he’d intended to blow him up in. “Why, Harry?” Peter demands. “Why’d you come back for me?” Harry’s final words? “Hey… what else could I do? You’re my best friend.” That ending gave me goosebumps as a kid, and nothing’s changed now. Note to filmmakers: you could do a LOT worse for an ending to Spidey 3.'

I want my damn royalty check from Sam Raimi.

-D

[bladestarr]

Am I the only one that has wondered why they took a beautiful blonde (Kirsten Dunst) and made her into a weird looking redhead and a beautiful redhead (Bryce Dallas Howard) and made her into a weird looking blonde?

Oh BTW, movie was awesome.

[Al]

I was actually a curious as to why Gwen Stacy was there at all. I mean, I understand the need for a character plotwise, but making it Gwen Stacy just feels like name-dropping to me.

Oh, and Ursula can feed me cookies any day.

[TheLuckyOne]

Dude, Ursula is the greatest character ever. When I saw she was back I was like, Sweet! More cookies!

Speaking of that, I liked how instead of making Peter turn completely suave overnight, it was clear that even as a badass, he was still a geek. "Yeah, get me some milk."

-D

[deusdragonexx]

Wow! Am I the only person who thinks SM3 shouldn't have been made? That movie was a rushed, cramped, trite piece of crap. Two out of three of those last qualifiers have to do with the inclusion of the Venom storyarc. Had Sam Raimi stuck to his guns and not made a SM movie with Venom in it, like he originally said, that movie would have been so much better. The existing storylines would have been clearer and more consise. There would have been more room for character development, not to mention theme development. I mean, we all got the theme of forgiveness, but it wasn't fleshed out, just delivered by the heavy hand of a poor script. And frankly, I'm tired of being clubbed over the head with patriotism. I mean, landing in front of the flag. Then the camera cuts to the crowd where a firefighter and a policeman are standing and clapping wildly.

I am sorely disappointed.

[blinkfan]

I disagree, I thought the inclusion of venom was great, and I'm not even that big of a venom fan (I prefer carnage) and the movie was not rushed, It was like 2 hours maybe even three and Raimi made sure to show every aspect of the story, from Sandmans motives to Harrys story to Peters transformation to everything.

There would have been more room for character development, not to mention theme development. I mean, we all got the theme of forgiveness, but it wasn't fleshed out

More room for character development, I felt there was plenty of that especially Eddies transformation to confident to insecure to evil. As for the theme, the theme was always constant it was just subtle sometimes but I assure you it was constant and if you haven't noticed every character in the film was dealing with a forgivness issue because they just werent receiving it.
As for the patriotism, it wasn't really needed but it was made up for thanks to the fantastic viewing experience of the whole film.

P.S

Bruce Campbells cameo was awesome

[Al]

deusdragonexx said:

Wow! Am I the only person who thinks SM3 shouldn't have been made? That movie was a rushed, cramped, trite piece of crap. Two out of three of those last qualifiers have to do with the inclusion of the Venom storyarc. Had Sam Raimi stuck to his guns and not made a SM movie with Venom in it, like he originally said, that movie would have been so much better. The existing storylines would have been clearer and more consise. There would have been more room for character development, not to mention theme development. I mean, we all got the theme of forgiveness, but it wasn't fleshed out, just delivered by the heavy hand of a poor script. And frankly, I'm tired of being clubbed over the head with patriotism. I mean, landing in front of the flag. Then the camera cuts to the crowd where a firefighter and a policeman are standing and clapping wildly.

I am sorely disappointed.

No, you're certainly not alone. It was far from a perfect movie, and is easily the least engaging of the three, but when it was good it was *really* good. Unfortunately, the reverse is also true: it's the only one of the three with a legitimately bad scene in it.

As far as Venom goes, I also wasn't dazzled and wish the studio gave Sam a bit more room to breathe, but that doesn't qualify the movie as dead on arrival, either.

The film contented me. I had a big, dumb smile on my face almost the entire time and I can't, in good conscience, ask for much more than that.

EDIT: And as far as Spidey against the flag goes? I really don't see it as blind patriotism at all. I'm grappling with exactly how to describe it and I should probably be getting back to actually doing my job as my boss is heading down my aisle as we speak, but I really don't tihnk that's what they were going for. Anyone want to help me out here...

[TheOogieBoogieMan]

THINGS I HATED ABOUT SPIDER-MAN 3 (Spoilers!)

- Peter Parker's emo hair. EMO! Although the hair was pretty apt; rather than get "darker", PP just got whinier and angst-ier.
- The break-up scene on the bridge. Tobey Maguire couldn't fake-cry convincingly if his life depended on it (which also goes for the end).
- Stan Lee. This was the first cameo of his that made me want to yell. It really brings the movie to a screeching halt. And the "Nuff said"...it's so friggin' smug!
- Willem Dafoe's minute-and-a-half cameo. When even Willem Dafoe can't brighten up a dreary movie, you know you're in trouble. I'm still boggled by the "Hurt his heart!!!" line.
- Eddie Brock asking God to kill PP. Didn't he watch that Simpsons episode where Bart asks God to kill Sideshow Bob ("You do your own dirty work!")?
- That damn flag.
- Harry's butler. This is the first movie we've seen him in, and he just happens to know how Harry's dad died. Real convenient.
- horrible dialogue (ie. Aunt Mae's numeruos speeches, "I like being bad. It makes me happy.", and "Hurt his heart!", which I already mentioned)

*gives up on listing and decides to just talk*

All of which is to say that this movie really turns up the cheesiness value while relying too much on the first two films, to the point where I thought I was watching a Spider-man spoof. I mean, the obligatory cameos by Stan Lee, Bruce Campbell, AND Ted Raimi? The upside-down kiss with Gwen Stacy? The fact that from out of the blue we find the real killer of a guy who died two movies ago? A majorly long opening credits sequence that recycles scenes (likewise) from two movies ago? I could just see the cast and crew waving their hands in front of the cameras saying "Hey! Remember those other Spider-man movies? Yeah, this is another one of those!" without actually trying to make something that could stand on its own. Spider-man 2 could stand on its own.

I could continue on about how the movie tries to tug at our heartstrings mercilessly, only to cross the line and land in "lame melodrama" territory (some examples are mentioned above), but I think my frustration could be put to a better use, so I'll just say that they should just stop the series here, unless they go the "Rocky Balboa" route and end the series on a better note, upon realizing the mistakes made in this one.

PS: Did it seem like neither Eddie Brock nor Captain Stacey were particularly concerned for Gwen when they realized she was dangling off the side of that building? Or is it just me?

EDIT: Speaking of Eddie Brock, I found his motivation to be evil WEAK. Parker exposes Eddie as the fraud that he is, and we're supposed to sympathize with him?

[Al]

See, deusdragon, I told you you're not alone!

[deusdragonexx]

I'm glad of that, Al.

I just wish that I really could have enjoyed SM3 like I did the second. I had such high hopes for it. But that ain't the point.

Blink, I agree with you on one thing that you said. Bruce Campbell's cameo was awesome. Aside from that, I think the movie was far too trite. And there was too much. There were three villains, two love interests, not to mention two separate love triangles, and, now that I think about it, two separate themes throughout. Now, I like complicated movies as much as the next person, but not at the expense of the viewing experience as a whole.

Yes, the movie touched on the theme and developed character, but there was so much going on that there just wasn't enough. For example, I would have loved to see more of Eddie Brock and Peter Parker trying to outdo one another. I think that would have made for awesome character development for both of them. Instead, it was mentioned and glossed over. I only really got a sense that they were actually competing against each other when Peter was walking into the jazz club with Gwen. The look on Eddie's face is what made it. I wanted more of that. Instead, it was tossed aside in favor of two extra villains and Spidey's Emo Hair. I get the feeling that Sam Raimi was kind of forced to include Venom in the movie.

:::EDIT::: Oh, I didn't say it was blind patriotism. Just heavyhanded. When Spidey landed in front of the flag, I felt like I'd been kicked in the chest by an American Flag weilding, Dixie whistling Captain America. And that is never the effect you want to go for in a film. If you are going to club the audience with a message, at least have the decency to be self-aware with it and purposely ham it up. SM3 was like that kid that tells a joke and laughs at it, but he is the only one laughin'.