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Post by kylerexpop on May 23, 2005 21:55:28 GMT -5
or "graphic novels," if you like.  this will be a safe place to discuss comic books of all kinds. i always wanted to do something like this, where people could post free of censorship or ridicule about their favorite comics and thoughts about comic-related topics and events. but i also wanted to wait until i had godly moderator status, so that if someone posted something i didn't agree with, i could change their posts or delete them altogether. awesome, yeah? but yes: please feel free to bring up anything, argue anything, blah blah blah. i'm off to watch the 2-hour season finale of 24 in 13 minutes, and watch the heat presumably blow the final two minutes to the pistons (dammit!). but here are two topics for discussion: 1. the "24" comic book(s) thus far have been beautiful but lame, especially considering the price point. your thoughts? 2. grant morrison is the most talented, creative and overall greatest comic book writer of all time. agree or disagree? |
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Post by TheOogieBoogieMan on May 23, 2005 21:58:15 GMT -5
1. I have no interest in 24 whatsoever, so I can't really comment on that. Kiefer Sutherland has the greatest voice in the world, though, IMO.
2. Again, I can't really say anything about this either. I did buy St. Swithen's Day on eBay a while ago, so when that comes and I read it, I will let you know what I think about it.
My knowledge of grovels (graphic novels) is minimal. So far I have only read 4: Sin City, That Yellow Bastard, The Mask, and the Mask Returns. I really liked how the Mask books were darker and more interesting than the movie, it was very refreshing.
I have three grovels on their way: St. Swithen's Day, as mentioned before, Preacher Gone to Texas, and V For Vendetta. I wanted to read V For Vendetta before the movie comes out, and I heard the book was really good, and Hugo Weaving (who will play V) is a great actor, so I want to know more about the book/movie. I can't wait until all three get home, and I can't wait until I have money to buy more.
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Post by TheLuckyOne on May 23, 2005 22:49:30 GMT -5
1. Keifer does indeed have the greatest voice in the world (well, after Hugo Weaving), especially when he's bellowing his 5 favorite words: "We don't have a CHOICE!" However, Kyle is correct that the 24 comic (the only one I've seen, anyway) was a letdown. To be fair, it's hard to stretch the format to 1 hour = 2 pages and make it coherent.
2. Um, that would be... no. Sorry, Kyle. The man is immensely talented, and -- as much distaste as I have for druggies -- he's one person they've really worked for, thus far at least. Outstanding imagination, but occasional trouble bringing them from conception to execution- sometimes throwing 87 ideas into 4 issues and seeing what sticks just doesn't do it. Animal Man was amazing, and his early JLA rivals even Giffen's Justice League, but the later issues got too far afield and I wasn't feeling New X-Men at all- he just didn't get the characters, so he turned them into who he wanted them to be, not who they are. Unprofessional.
However, if we accept that the comics A-list is made up of only the absolute top, top names -- Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Will Eisner -- then he'd be a very solid B+, along with masters of the genre like Chris Claremont, Frank Miller, Peter David, Simon Furman, Kurt Busiek, Mark Waid, and the like. And that sure ain't bad company to be in.
3. Madrox the Multiple Man is Marvel's coolest mutant, and nuts to Wolverine. Agree? Agree? Tell us why, and explain why he should definitely be in the next X-Men movie, to be played by Elisha Cuthbert in spandex.
4. Peter David's run on X-Factor will be collected in TPB (that's "trade paperback" for the newbies) this November. If you've ever wondered why they never did a funny superhero comic... yeah, they have, and 90% of the funniest ones are written by Peter "PAD" David. See what happens when a group of second-string X-Men associates suddenly become a government-sponsored superteam. Perfectly balancing humor and drama, PAD's X-Factor is the comics equivalent of Scrubs... and baby, that is one fine thing to be. As a bonus, it provides background for the recent Madrox: Multiple Choices TPB, which everyone should also buy. I have spoken.
-D
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Post by siegeshot on May 24, 2005 10:21:40 GMT -5
His voice on Phone Booth is out of this world too. But I lost interest on 24 after season 2. Can we talk about other graphic novels? Cuz I got the new first part of the Warcraft Sunwell Trilogy. And I really like it. The art is so so nice! The problem I have, is that I'd need a graphic novel around 1000 pages, otherwise I blow through them in no time.  The picture Bible comes to mind, did anyone ever read that? It is like a comic book version of the Bible? Went through it in about three days when I was a wee lad. |
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Post by kylerexpop on May 24, 2005 12:18:35 GMT -5
kiefer rules. grant morrison rules, but that can be tabled for later. here's a great take on the lameness regarding the modern slant towards "realistic" comics: www.ninthart.com/a10/ |
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Post by mysteriorockanova on May 24, 2005 19:30:48 GMT -5
1. Never saw an episode of 24.
2. Never saw a comic made by Grant Morisson, but I say James Kochalka is, and will be, the best.
3. I don't know who the Multiple Man is.
4. I don't know what the X Factor is.
Man, I should really start reading things other then the Astonishing X Men and snooty alternative comics.
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Post by Al on May 24, 2005 19:55:48 GMT -5
As long as you're reading Astonishing, you're ok in my book. Or Powers. Or anything else by Brian Bendis.
Al
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Post by TheLuckyOne on May 24, 2005 21:08:26 GMT -5
Man, I should really start reading things other then the Astonishing X Men and snooty alternative comics. Yes you should. Especially since, if you like AXM, I can virtually guarantee you'd enjoy MadroX and X-Factor. Whedon's pretty much a cross between Chris Claremont and Peter David anyway. -D |
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Post by Hucklebubba on May 24, 2005 22:15:45 GMT -5
The picture Bible comes to mind, did anyone ever read that? It is like a comic book version of the Bible? Went through it in about three days when I was a wee lad. I once saw something called the Superhero Bible. It's structured comic book-style, complete with unreasonably buffed-out characters. Creepy. Besides, most popular depictions of Jesus are super-ripped anyway, so it's pretty redundant. I think I'll stick with my plain ol' un-illustrated NASB, thanks. 3. Madrox the Multiple Man is Marvel's coolest mutant, and nuts to Wolverine. Agree? Agree? Tell us why, and explain why he should definitely be in the next X-Men movie, to be played by Elisha Cuthbert in spandex. I concur. However, if Multiple Man is going to be in the next movie, someone will have to be found to play Strong Guy as well. I gotta say, though, that my experience with the Madrox mini-series (or is it an actual full-sized series?) was somewhat short and painful. I swaggered into the tiny comic store just off-campus one day, a mellow blues riff announcing my arrival, and noticed issue #3 (I think) of Madrox sitting on the shelf. "Wow!" I thought to myself, "Can that be the same Madrox as in Jamie Madrox? It's like the early 90s all over again!" So I snatched it up, despite my reluctance to start things in the middle. A happy chap was I. Then I got to the part where some sort of disembodied spirit-guy almost porks another dude, but is interrupted by Wolfsbane. I managed to hold myself together long enough to finish out the issue, then I ran away crying. Sorry, but man-on-man action--even man-on-man action that doesn't quite happen--makes me a mite queasy. Admittedly, and hypocritically, had it been two women, my reaction would've likely been considerably less negative. Speaking of which: For no reason a'tall the other day, I did a bit of reminiscing about a chintzy little indie comic from long about the end of the 1900s. Animal Mystic by name. 'Twas a rather short-lived endeavor, created by a short-lived artist, and published by a short-lived agency. (Unless The Dark One (ergh) and Sirius are still doing stuff, and I just don't know anything.) It featured a lesbian main character, which was remarkable, since this was back before lesbianism became a factory-installed accessory. This makes me suspect that maybe the girl-girl element wasn't included purely for nad appeal. . . . . . Nah, it totally was. |
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Post by TheLuckyOne on May 24, 2005 23:20:00 GMT -5
If it's any consolation, one of the guys dies in the fourth issue. And then his wife attacks the other one in the fifth. (And it was a 5-issue mini, but a spinoff X-Factor ongoing may be coming this fall.) -D |
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Post by siegeshot on May 26, 2005 12:56:24 GMT -5
oooo superhero bible. ooooo. the possibilities are endless. I wonder what the ark looked like?!?!
an 8 bit final fantasy bible would be pretty sweet too?
peter david is awesome, I think my favorite comics were just the ironmans and wolverines though. a lot of the other stuff got waaaaaay too weiiiiiiirddddddd
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Post by kylerexpop on May 26, 2005 13:23:29 GMT -5
okay. here's an easy one.
are you more interested in:
- DC's infinite crisis stuff (omac project, villains united, rann-thanagar, something else, donna troy i guess, whatever else)
- marvel's "house of m" mega-crossover (mutants triumphant)
- sleeping away the afternoon
? ? ? ? ?
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Post by PoolMan on May 26, 2005 17:30:49 GMT -5
So was Jesus a mutant, or did he get hit by gamma rays?
ETA: Or maybe it was alpha and omega rays. Oh lordy, I'm so clever.
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Post by siegeshot on May 26, 2005 17:35:04 GMT -5
A more important question. If Marvel copywrited him, and made a movie, would he be live action, or CG. We all know they didn't have the technology to do his hair back then. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?  |
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Post by TheLuckyOne on May 26, 2005 19:27:26 GMT -5
I'd definitely have to go with "sleeping away the afternoon." DC is heading down a very dark, depressing road right now where they cancel funny, lighthearted books (Young Justice) in favor of dramatic ones (Teen Titans), kill interesting supporting characters purely for shock value (Sue Dibny, Spoiler, Blue Beetle), and seem determined to wipe away all evidence that they once had humorous, fun stories (Countdown and Identity Crisis peeing all over Giffen's Justice League). It's like the late 80s all over again, and in comics at least, that's not a compliment. The only books of theirs I'm reading now are the Flash (Rogue War rocks!), Green Lantern, and JSA... coincidentally enough, all written by the same guy. God save Geoff Johns!
Meanwhile, Marvel's doing much the same thing with Avengers Disassembled, and I remember too many of the X-crossovers from the 90s to buy into this one too. The only thing I'll say about House of M is that they've told us nearly everyone who's ever been an X-Man or an Avenger will show up, so when Longshot inevitably fails to make an appearance, I'll definitely be setting fire to the Marvel offices. Watch for me on the news.
Okay, okay- who's hottest, Clover, Bleu, or Erin?
-D
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The picture Bible comes to mind, did anyone ever read that? It is like a comic book version of the Bible? Went through it in about three days when I was a wee lad.
