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Post by Head Mutant on Apr 13, 2006 22:22:23 GMT -5
Do NOT read Watchman on heavy medication. Sleep will be ineviddabble.
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Post by TheLuckyOne on Apr 14, 2006 8:09:51 GMT -5
Ahem... I think what Justin's trying to say, Poolie, is that Watchmen is extremely cerebral and psychological, rather than the slam-bang action you might expect out of costumed superheroes. As long as you're expecting a mind**** rather than a slugfest, you should love it.
And I AM proud, my Canadian compatriot. We'll make a proper comic geek of you yet! Enjoy them all, but particularly Dark Knight Returns... always had a soft spot for that one.
-D
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Post by Head Mutant on Apr 14, 2006 9:42:48 GMT -5
Well, I think we had a thread about it a while ago, but the whole cerebral thing didn't put me off so much as... it's kinda boring. But to each their own!
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Post by PoolMan on Apr 14, 2006 12:52:08 GMT -5
I actually AM looking for the more cerebral stuff. Costumed action gets silly after a while. If it's not thoughtful, I'm far less interested.
Although now I'm seriously annoyed at Amazon, because somehow, "stock in 4-6 days" plus "shipping in 4-7 days" equals "estimated arrival date of June 20". No calendar on earth supports that theory, my friend.
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Post by Al on Apr 14, 2006 20:55:10 GMT -5
I sort of agree with Justin. When I first bought The Watchmen, I had to force myself to read through about 1/3 of it before finally giving up and tucking it away disappointedly. It was, I think, at least a full year before I got the courage to open it back up, at which point I read it from cover to cover in one sitting. But I get that way about lots of Alan Moore's stuff, V took me a while and From Hell was on long term loan from a friend for a year or more before the mood struck me and I blew through it one lazy afternoon. So, yeah, it can be boring, but it's worth whatver amount of time you put into it.
About your V review, Pooly (I didn't see the need to start a whole new thread): I wasn't sure from the review whether you know this or not, but Alan Moore never actually saw the film. He's just fed up with DC, cheesed off at LXG, and generally half crazy anyway, so he denounced it on principle. He's disowned Watchman, V for Vendetta, Swamp Thing, and anything else he couldn't sue DC into giving up the rights for. The man's practically destitute from all accounts, if he'd just accept the credit for his work, he'd live like a king for the rest of his life. But that's him, I guess...
Al
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Post by PoolMan on Apr 15, 2006 0:56:07 GMT -5
Although now I'm seriously annoyed at Amazon, because somehow, "stock in 4-6 days" plus "shipping in 4-7 days" equals "estimated arrival date of June 20". No calendar on earth supports that theory, my friend. UPDATE! I wrote Amazon an email asking if they would change my order from "ship all at once" to "ship individual items as they come into stock". No threats, no pouting, just a request to change that (it's the one option you can't change online). They wrote me back apologizing profusely for the misunderstanding, explained the ship together option to me (which, believe me, I was clear on to begin with, I work with an equipment manufacturer), broke the order up into items in and out of stock (which is what I asked for) and then upgraded the whole thing to ship Express free of charge. So now instead of getting all three comics in late June, I should have two by the end of next week and the third in a few weeks. THAT'S customer service. Nice! By the way, Al, I did some research on the Moore/DC feud when I was writing the review up, and yes I did know what you're talking about. Which I only hinted at in the actual review (calling it "kinda sad"). Although I have to admit, if I were him, I'd be something PO'ed too. All kidding aside, LXG was the most unholy spoiling of a neat idea by film transition. Terrible. And Mr Moore doesn't look like the sanest of people to begin with. Too bad. |
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Post by Spiderdancer on Apr 15, 2006 1:21:01 GMT -5
(SPOILERS)
[quote: About your V review, Pooly (I didn't see the need to start a whole new thread): I wasn't sure from the review whether you know this or not, but Alan Moore never actually saw the film. He's just fed up with DC, cheesed off at LXG, and generally half crazy anyway, so he denounced it on principle. He's disowned Watchman, V for Vendetta, Swamp Thing, and anything else he couldn't sue DC into giving up the rights for. The man's practically destitute from all accounts, if he'd just accept the credit for his work, he'd live like a king for the rest of his life. But that's him, I guess... endquote]
So which part was he cheesed off about? That LXG sucked? Or that they somehow left out the scene where MR HYDE RAPES THE INVISIBLE MAN TO DEATH? Or the several graphic sex scenes, including ones between underage schoolgirls and the invisible man?
I'm still not over that one. After listening to everyone go on about how great LXG the comic book was as compared to the movie, I read vols. 1 and 2. Boy, was I in for a surprise. If Moore is denouncing V, I have to suspect it's because they left out a part where, during the torture scenes, V gang rapes Evey all by himself, then goes on to have a fully depicted affair with Gottfried involving reenactments of Robert Mapplethorpe photos. (My real guess is more that the scene with Evey and the priest actually went rather farther than the movie shows. That would ALMOST be twisted enough.)
Nothing personal to Al, but guys... Before you recommend a comic as better than a PG-13 film, whether in a review or forum, could someone at least MENTION if it's going to contain NC-17 level content?
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Post by TheLuckyOne on Apr 15, 2006 15:29:28 GMT -5
And Mr Moore doesn't look like the sanest of people to begin with. Too bad. What, just because he routinely contacts the spirit of the Roman god Mercury via seance? Psssh... who doesn't these days? -D |
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Post by TheOogieBoogieMan on Apr 16, 2006 20:55:19 GMT -5
Has anyone here read the Superman: Red Son tpb? The premise (Superman having landed and grown up in Stalinist Russia instead of the USA) is really interesting, but it is not available at any library. Is it worth buying?
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Post by kylerexpop on Apr 17, 2006 3:58:20 GMT -5
i guess i would say (regarding superman: red son) that if you like mark millar's 'the ultimates,' then it is worth buying red son.
or, if you can buy trades and swap them among friends for other ones, then it's worth it as well.
otherwise, just try to read it at the store. it's an interesting premise and millar does follow through on it in entertaining fashion, but after the plot twists are revealed i don't think it has much re-reading value. it's designed for that initial shock, but beyond that it's simply an extended exercise in dramatic irony (which is true of most elseworlds, to be fair).
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Post by Ms. Jellybean on Apr 17, 2006 15:13:09 GMT -5
Yeah, back to LXG... (hooray for jumping around subjects and whatnot) I was surprised to find volume one in our local public library, so I checked it out and have been pretty much just reading it in snippets when I get the time.
It is most certainly better than the movie... when is that not the case with any sort of adaptation? It didn't even bother me that there was such graphic material within the story. Sometimes you just need that to tell the story right.
I can understand Alan Moore getting ticked with movie adaptations of his work. I've got to find From Hell and read it, as well as V for Vendetta.
Anyway.
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Post by Spiderdancer on Apr 17, 2006 18:11:02 GMT -5
Sure. I'd never argue with its artistic merit; I just was a little unpleasantly surprised. But then, I'm not a Troma fan or anything like that. Sure, I'll watch zombies tear people to shreds, and I'm willing to tolerate sex (particularly if it's either tasteful or hilariously unrealistic), but... LXG the comic was a little beyond what I'm willing to see visually depicted.
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Post by Ms. Jellybean on Apr 17, 2006 18:24:54 GMT -5
True, true. It got disconcerting. But I often think I'm too desensitized to a lot of stuff...
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Post by TheLuckyOne on Apr 17, 2006 23:06:00 GMT -5
True, true. It got disconcerting. If you found any of the sexual stuff or violence in volume 1 disconcerting, Ms. J., you really maybe don't want to be checking out volume 2. Bad as he was in the first mini, in vol. 2 Mr. Hyde especially ain't exactly the chap looking for an "all hands in, rah rah team!" moment from the gang. -D |
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Post by Head Mutant on Apr 18, 2006 8:10:17 GMT -5
I'm happy to say that my Masters of the Universe mutant viewing is in the can, and I'm free to start on another project... LXG! Oh yes... revenge is a dish best served with a Scottish accent.
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