Heroes

[Storm_Rider]

8 pages from my last post on the Heroes thread I am back, with all the episodes fresh in my head and a new and more appropiate avatar...it's good to be back.

First of all let me say that the Maya/Alejandro plot-line annoys me also, and I can only think that they are getting so much screen-time and exposition because, maybe, probably, their power will come into play sometime later in this season. And I say their power because since Maya needs Alejandro to undo it, they're two faces of the same coin, usually with a power like that the wielder could also undo what he or she does, imagine Clare's mother needing someone else to put out her burning hand, or Nathan needing Peter to guide him down to earth, so yeah each of them has one half of an entire power.

Let's talk Peter, I have the strange feeling that his lass also has powers or something of the sort. Anyway seeing an American talking about Celtic, hehe priceless.

The whole Mohinder/Parkman/Molly thing still needs some more time to unravel, however we did get a taste of this new and more powerfull villain towards the end of Season 1 when Molly was talking about the one she is afraid of looking for and I think this guy has something to do with the death of Takei's character and the attempt on Nathan's mom.

However I thought that the 8 paintings would all represents the deaths of their other associates because Takei sais "now ther are 9" after counting off the dead ones, Charles Devoe, Linderman and Nathan and Peter's Dad, and of course the remaining one would be the one who is doing all the killing, but seeing Bennet in that last picture really unnerved me because it implies that Clare would have something to do with killing him, and I've grown to like him despite his past methods, he has repented and now wants to do good.

I don't like the Fly Boy either, he seems like he could convince Clare to do things she normaly wouldn't; I guess we have to wait and see, Season 1 has made it quite clearly that "the future is not writen in stone" and that it doesn't have to do so much with destiny as it has to do with free will.

[StarOpal]

In the Cult TV: Heroes article Justin said, "I think this show might be a litmus test to a viewer's personality — what character are you most drawn to, look forward to seeing, and what does that say about you?"

Well my two favorite characters, in order, are Hiro and Sylar. I think what that says about me is: I'm a mess.

So Nathan lost the beard: Good.

The writers continue last season's trend of beating up on Matt. Evil writers. In the preview, was that Matt's wife with the baby? If it was, shouldn't she be about seven months pregnant?

Lesee, a rapist, an uncle*, a creepy kinda manipulative stalker... Claire, you have bleeding tragic taste in men.

But I still love the Bennets.

I like Micah's cousin, at least she's a female character who fights back.

So, do you think Bob is anyone's dad?

*I don't care they were totally sending out "shipping" vibes. I remember thinking 'Erm... Isn't he a little old for her?' and then after the Nathan revelation it was like, 'Ew, he's your uncle/she's your niece! Stop with the chemistry!'

[Storm_Rider]

Maybe Bob is Maya and Alejandro's dad

Micah's cousing has indeed an interesting power, it's kinda like a photographic memory but only for actions instead of words, it might come in handy. And interestingly enough we saw that Micah can or tries to fiddle with the greatest machine ever, the human body.

To me it seems kinda intriguing how come most of the kids of the 12 we know of grew up to be mutants. Nathan and Peter, Matt, Hiro, of course this theory is shot down by the fact that Simone never exhibited powers but there was something interesting in the talk Devoe and Peter's Mom had in the Season 1 episode when Peter passed out and kinda went back in time to that roof-top. Devoe told her that he thought Linderman was betting on the wrong brother so this could mean that they were expecting them to manifest special powers, either through selective breeding or genetic manipulations of some sort. I also think it is possible the 12 knew about the New York explosion before Isaac painted it, because they had a pretty elaborate plan into place.

Also have you noticed how a single cockroach appears to pop up where Sylar(Gabriel) is involved? Weird.

[aargmematey]

I think that the Old Team (Kaito, Linderman, Mr. Deveux, Angela) definitely knew that Peter and Nathan were going to have powers (probably due to the fact that Angela has some power...I'm sure of it) and of course they new about the explosion before Isaac painted it, it was their plan that he was painting ("theirs" meaning Angela, Linderman, and maybe other people that we don't know).

And I have no freaking clue what the cockroach is. Maybe Sylar stole the power of someone who can transform into cockroaches. That would be a sad power.

[Lissa]

I think the cockroach is an expression of what Mohinder said back in the pilot, about it being the evolutionary pinnacle.

I really enjoyed this episode. I hate saying I was glad to have a break from the Hiro storyline, because I very much adore Hiro, but Hiro is much more fun when he and Ando are driving around in the Versa and arguing than when he's playing Mushu to Kensai's Mulan. Didn't miss Peter, since I seem to be the only woman I know who just isn't that into him

I loved Angela, and I was actually glad to see Nathan back, which was weird for me. I think I will very much enjoy him and Matt doing their little adventure.

The Wonder Twins do kind of bore me- I didn't want to admit it until Monica showed up. Monica was awesome and I love her and her family, and I've always really liked Micah. And although I know that scene where he had his hand on his back was supposed to be sweet and him trying to "fix" her, I kept thinking that at his age, he was probably trying to see if he could feel her bra strap. But Monica was cool.

I have decided that Matt and Mohinder either really don't like each other or are Hiro and Ando v. 2.0, because I originally thought Hiro and Ando didn't much like each other, either. I've always thought the Matt-Mohinder setup was weird, because how do two totally different men go from strangers to "let's raise a kid together!" in four months? And just given their cultural, family, and temperament differences, I've had the impression for a few weeks that they really jumped in over their heads. And Molly seemed to be playing them off each other in the series opener. I keep getting the idea that both of them would be happy to have sole custody over Molly, except that they both know she loves them both and they wouldn't hurt her like that.

But then, like I said, the writers just may not have given them a moment where they actually relax and talk about something that's not Molly and enjoy each other's company yet. It took Ando and Hiro a while to get one of those moments, where I really thought that yeah- these guys are best friends.

I thought Matt really should have stopped pushing Molly, but I can also understand why he did it- I don't think he really got that it was more than just her being scared. Which is understandable. I do think that those two have been thrown into parenting, and I'm actually very glad to see them make mistakes. Matt's actually my favorite hero because he's got realistic shades of gray. He's a good person, but the choices he's faced with are choices that I think don't have a foreseeable right or wrong- or at least are extremely tempting. Still not convinced the wife is gone for good (there was a flash that looked like her in the previews), but... I like complicated. And Daddy issues

I just miss being able to watch on DVD and not having to wait a week in between the episodes.

[TheLuckyOne]

Well, on the plus side, after a rapist and her uncle, dating just a stalker is a step up for Claire.

And I know this was from last episode, but did anyone NOT guess that Candice would turn out to be... ah, slightly more realistic in weight than she was presenting herself as? Even without that throwaway line last season, I just assumed.

Sylar running into the Wonder Twins... I'll reserve judgment until I see how it plays out. When he introduced himself as Gabriel, I wondered for a second if his ordeal hadn't fried his brain and reverted him to his pre-killer (just kinda creepy) watchmaker persona. Kinda wondered if they'd try to take him down the path of redemption (if that's even possible) this season, but clearly not.

Well, at least now we know for sure why Matt divorced Mrs. Matt. Although as you guys said, seeing her in the preview suggests there might be more to that story... either it really is his kid, or she just wants to try reconciliation. Speaking of kids, I thought Nathan was just kinda estranged from Heidi while on his bender, but apparently he's actually not allowed near his kids? That sucks, wonder what happened. I also thought he was just choosing to get drunk all the time, but Ma Petrelli's words suggested that he's actually an alcoholic. Did he drink at all last season, does anyone remember?

Finally, Micah's cousin is cool. She reminds me of the Taskmaster, a supervillain with "photographic reflexes" who can instantly duplicate any move he sees as well as the person doing it. So he can fire an arrow as well as Hawkeye, throw a shield as accurately as Cap, fight as well as Daredevil, etc. Here's hoping next episode she rents a whole mess of Bruce Lee movies. (Well, I would.)

-D

[Storm_Rider]

Bruce Lee movies now that is a brilliant idea, seeing her do the "come on" gesture would be priceless, but only against non-mutants she couldn't do too much damage to the other mutants.

Also a strange thing about Candice in Season 1 when Nicky knocked her out she dissipated her illusion yet Candice returned to her slim version but with Sylar we saw her real self, was that just a goof?

[Lissa]

And I know this was from last episode, but did anyone NOT guess that Candice would turn out to be... ah, slightly more realistic in weight than she was presenting herself as? Even without that throwaway line last season, I just assumed.

I knew she was from the graphic novels. Drew, am I reading the novels online and you're not? Isn't that like a sign of the Apocalypse or something?

[TheLuckyOne]

lissa said:

I knew she was from the graphic novels. Drew, am I reading the novels online and you're not? Isn't that like a sign of the Apocalypse or something?

Heh heh. When I heard they were releasing all the online mini-comics in one collection, I figured I'd just wait and buy that. Are they worth it?

-D

[StarOpal]

Cockroaches: Lissa's right, it goes back to what Mohinder was saying about evolution. Which means a) Sylar can survive just about anything (except bug spray) b) That every time they show the cockroach he has done something towards "evolving" or c) Sylar is the ultimate in mutant evolution.
I think he's going by Gabriel because he doesn't have his powers back yet. At the moment he can't outwardly be Sylar... Which could maybe ruin my whole 8th painting theory.

Online Graphic Novel stuff:
I think it's worth it. You'll get a lot more out of the show if you've read them.

I want to say in the GN where they cover how Linderman and Mr. Petrelli met that at the end when Linderman shows up to propose the Organization there are two boys already playing in the yard.

Yeah already knew that's what Candice looked like, her real name was Betty btw. I think maybe Candice's powers were so strong that even though she was knocked out they worked on a subconscious level. But when she was killed, it all stopped.

[TheLuckyOne]

You know, I am surprised Claire is so willing to jump all over the guy with the same power as her dad. Yeah, I know they haven't shown any signs of directly passing down powers between generations, but still... that's the sort of thing you might want to check first. Ew.

-D

[Al]

I dunno, they say boys marry their moms and girls marry their dads. Especially if she's been spurned by the biofamily for so long. Doesn't make it any less uncomfortable.

[Storm_Rider]

Yey, no Maya/Alejandro this time.

Well at least we know now where Peter has his lightning powers, it would appear that this season will be one of trying to remember stuff for Peter, so i expect a decent amount of flashbacks. I wonder what they'll be doing in Montreal. It's funny that in painting that picture, he has just started a self-fulfilling prophecy because I doubt they would know about that address from any other source.

So there is a possibility that the baby is actually Matt's although it could go either way. I always thought their powers would start showing more features as they grow used to using them, it makes sense that if you can read minds, you could also implant thoughts or illusions.

[TheLuckyOne]

Well, Matt now seems to be the first Hero to manifest the exact same powers as his father. (Which only reinforces that Claire should be careful who she's kissing, is all I'm sayin'.) Cool to see that he's got potential for so much more than mind-reading in the long run.

Micah's cousin (can't remember her name) continues to impress with her Taskmaster powers... I couldn't keep a grin off my face when she joined in the double-dutch flawlessly. And she took my Bruce Lee suggestion, yay! Now here's hoping the writers remember the corollary to that- even if your muscles can "remember" moves you see, you're still limited by your physical restrictions. That is, she may be able to mimic Bruce Lee's moves, but if she's not in as good shape as he is, they're not going to be nearly as effective. (So stay away from the cheese fries, y'hear?)

One thing I remembered during the Hiro segment that I meant to bring up 2 weeks ago- is Hiro okay with all this killing? I mean, presumably Kensei didn't just politely ask all those guys to give him the scroll or map or whatever he was retrieving... I'm guessing he killed them. Does that bother Hiro's conscience at all, since he could easily have stopped time, retrieved it, and spared all their lives? Plus, why wasn't there any blood on Kensei's outfit, either his own or anyone else's, after fighting a hundred guys? The more I think of it, that's either a major goof on the part of the editing department, or an intentional sign that things are not quite what they seem.

-D

[Storm_Rider]

You bring up some interesting points. I chuckled when I saw the Bruce Lee part, you were right. And I do think that they will keep the corollary in mind as well - at least till now we know she can only copy the behavior, and not other traits of the target person. However when considering Bruce Lee's movements, taking into account the almost superhuman speed he sometimes exhibited, even her not-trained body could do some damage to the average human.

I propose to you this discussion topic now, about how their powers could/would evolve, since we have proof that they are just in the beginning stages of discovering them. And I think another example of this is in Season 1 when Ted and Parkman are escaping the Company and Bennet tells him to burn bright instead of hot, Ted wasn't even aware he could do that until someone told him to. And since you mentioned Claire, I think her ability's upgraded feature would be to be able to heal others as well.

About Hiro, of course he could have done what you said but then he would have changed history and this is the only way, I think, the writers could have avoided a paradox. He is not there to do Kensei's jobs, he is there only to make sure that Kensei finishes them and maintains his place in history, because as far as Hiro is concerned, if his father would have never read him the stories then he would have never thought of being a hero. It would also appear that Kensei is a nice chap who only needed some proper guidance.

About the lack of blood, maybe he just washed a bit off and got another kimono, in order to not look like a mass murdered when returning from the castle. As for Hiro's conscience, I don't think he is too bothered, the ronin were there on White Beard's orders to protect the Fire Scroll, and apparently killing 90 highly skilled warriors build character. As far as Hiro was concerned those guys were already dead, they just didn't know it yet. Of course we don't know yet how the whole thing ends so it could go either way, the ronin could show up saying Kensei beat them all at cards because all of them were compulsive gamblers, it could happen.

What I really am interested in is what or who is the Dragon that asks Kensei for what he loves. It would be interesting because the legend sais that Kensei cut out his heart and gave it to the Dragon but wouldn't his heart just grow back now, and couldn't he just live happily ever after?

Hiro's romance for the swordsmith's daughter isn't completely played out either.