Heroes

[StarOpal]

Finally caught up on my Heroes watching...

There was a lot of moral gray areas in the last few episodes. I liked it, but wish they would have spent more time on it than some other things. *cough*uselesstwins*cough* Hiro still has my love.

So, I guess the question now is: How long does healing blood last as a foreign part of someone's body? If it's a long time/forever then that would make Nathan, HRG, Maya (This close! This close to her being gone! Curses!), and Sylar the same as Claire/Adam/Peter. Since Peter copies other people's powers and has to focus them, could he use it to heal other people? Can Nathan escape apparent death two "seasons"(*shakes fist at writers*) in a row?

Isn't Caitlin still stuck in the crappy future? I hate to get into timetravel questions, but Caitlin from the show's current timeline got taken to a possible future and was left. In "Five Years After" I got the feeling that that was how the rules were set up. In order to save her, wouldn't Peter have to go back in time to prevent her from getting dragged forward?

So the next chapter's title is Villians. Thoughts?

It's such a shame, the show felt like it had finally started going somewhere this season. *sigh* I just hope it doesn't take them as long to get warmed up again.

Oh, one more thing: Gabriel/Sylar was a timepiece repairer. Now he's got telekinesis and doesn't even bother to reach for a cup of coffee. Where the frig did the muscles come from in the murdering Alejandro/shirtless scene? That lacks more logic than the blood and timetravel issues put together!

[TheLuckyOne]

lordmoon said:

Wolverine's healing ability is limited to himself and, just like in Heroes, he's able to regenerate any damage as long as his brain is protected. On more then one occasion his entier body was completely destoroyed but he was able to regenerate due to his brain being protected in the adamantite laced skull.

Well, but only recently. They've really amped up his healing factor like crazy recently (the most ludicrous example being when he healed from being reduced to a charred skeleton last year. What the hell is there to heal?). I still prefer the fast but believable healing factor of years past, where a bad enough beating by Lady Deathstrike and the Reavers would have even his healing factor working overtime for weeks.

Anyway, I generally liked the finale, but yeah, it certainly felt abrupt. I'm willing to bet the Sylar storyline would have been dragged out a LOT longer, as that one in particular felt like it wrapped up way too neatly. Niki, too... why tease another personality only to (maybe) kill her off? Plus I was sure we'd see Jessica again, it's not like that was definitively tied up last season. (Was she actually Niki's sister, or just another personality?)

Still, the Hiro/Peter confrontation was cool, even if it highlighted how incredibly powerful Peter really is. (How much is too much? There's a reason the Mimic only appears once a decade or so.) Loved how conflicted Parkman looked over Nathan asking him to get everyone to listen. And one last "Flying Man!" from Hiro was just what we needed. But speaking of that... who wants to bet cash money that the shooter of Nathan was our old friend HRG? An hour back in the company and they've already got him assassinating people... so much for easing back into things.

So. Elle seems to like the idea of being thought of as a hero, which I predict will last exactly as long as it takes for Peter to cross paths with her again if he realizes she killed Caitlin's brother. And speaking of Caitlin... interesting to see what happens there. Your normal thought would be to say that that's it: they prevented that future, so she disappeared along with it. But I wouldn't put it past the Heroes writers to have her reappear in Ireland with no memory of Peter when he goes back to find her, leaving him with even more heartbreak. Either way, two love interests in a row... poor form, Peter. Careful, people will start to talk.

As far as Nathan's survival chances, I don't know. The promos specifically said that two heroes would fall, and that sure seems like he and Niki. But "fall" doesn't necessarily mean die, I suppose. If he IS dead, that'll be pretty disappointing. I'd guess Claire and David's blood are more "one use only" things, where they heal you for a short period of time but eventually are recycled out of the body. Could be otherwise, though; we'll see.

Anyway, I wouldn't say it was a great second season, but a lot of shows have had worse sophomore slumps. Still, next season we need to see the "good" heroes actually band together to take down the company, or at the very least a Peter/Hiro alliance- future Hiro talked about the "many times" they talked, time for us to start seeing that, I think.

-D

[PoolMan]

Whew, FINALLY all caught up! And just in time for there to be no more new episodes for the foreseeable future... grumble... grumble...

For the season ender, there were a couple of "saw it coming" moments, and some genuine surprises. I can't say I was surprised by Sylar regaining his powers, but for me that's not a bad thing. Sylar represents an interesting villain, in that he's obviously out for his own gain and has certifiably loco tendencies, but he shows genuine remorse at the idea of killing millions of New Yorkers at the end of season one. We'll see how it goes. I'm excited by the prospect of volume three being called Villains, because as much as I enjoy Sylar's character, he's only just gotten back in the game, and Bob is a big pudgy doughboy I don't find remotely threatening, no matter what his position in the company. We NEED some villains!

What surprised me was the shooting of Nathan and the burial of Adam. I'm pretty sure Angela wouldn't be so upset if Nathan had survived the shooting, so I'm pretty sure (and sorry!) he's dead. Unless his miraculous survival is what opened Pandora's Box...

Adam being buried alive is... well, it's incredible. I really was shocked at that. Hiro summoned up some major cajones to pull that one off, although I don't understand his reluctance to kill Adam. He even said he SHOULD have killed him, and I'd have to think that would have been kinder than to bury a man who can't die under a concrete pad. He's going to be pissed when he makes it out. And he will.

I was also surprised to see Monica survive the house fire... with a code name based on Joan of Arc, having her survive being burned alive was pretty surprising.

I would hope it wasn't Bennett who shot Nathan, but I'm wondering who would have had the foresight to be in Texas with a gun at the exact moment Nathan was making the announcement. I really don't know who else it could be.

Some questions I have:

- When Peter encountered Sylar at Kirby Plaza, did he absorb Sylar's stolen powers? Could he melt toasters and hear super well too? Seems more like he only has Sylar's natural ability.

- Does anyone think we've seen any of the previous Generation's powers on display (aside from Parkman Sr and Linderman)? Angela? Kaito? It's been repeatedly hinted that all the people in the photo have abilities, when will we get to know what they are? Or have they been subtley flaunted right in front of us?

- Who was Angela talking to at the end?

Gaaaaah...

[StarOpal]

As far as Peter having Sylars powers go:

I think he copied the powers Sylar was actually using at Kirby Plaza, like the telekinesis. In fact I think (I'd have to double check to 100% sure) that's the only power Sylar uses at the time.

[TheLuckyOne]

Yeah, he has to have gotten the telekinesis from Sylar, since Peter's never been near (well, that we've seen) anyone else who had it, and he didn't start using it last season until after his first encounter with Sylar, when he saved Claire in Texas. But Star raises a good point: does Peter have all of Sylar's stolen powers, or just the ones Sylar used while near him? If it's the latter, Peter should have the telekinesis and cutting powers, and maybe Charlie's as well, as that's more of an "always on" power. Maybe not the super-hearing (although that's kind of "always on" too) and melting powers, though, and any other ones Sylar may have gotten.

Another question: now that Sylar's gotten his powers back, will he have Candice's illusion power too? Or will the fact that he stole it while not having access to his powers keep him from having copied it?

poolman said:

Adam being buried alive is... well, it's incredible. I really was shocked at that. Hiro summoned up some major cajones to pull that one off, although I don't understand his reluctance to kill Adam. He even said he SHOULD have killed him, and I'd have to think that would have been kinder than to bury a man who can't die under a concrete pad. He's going to be pissed when he makes it out. And he will.

Agreed, and I had the same thought, except I'm surprised Hiro was as merciful as he was. I would have thought he'd strand Adam somewhere he'd have no chance of getting away from, like the moon. (Although I guess that might kill him, depending on how fast he can heal back dying brain cells from lack of oxygen.) Or the far future, maybe, though you'd have to go far enough forward to make sure the human race had died out and Earth was just an uninhabited ball of mud. A grave is fine and all, but you can dig out of that in, what, a few years? Good symbolism, but not a permanent solution.

I'm not surprised, though, that he was willing to do what you said, Poolie, consigning him to something worse than killing him- a lot of comic superheroes won't kill because of their own moral code, but have no problem sending villains to fates way worse than death. Kind of ironic, really. After Inertia killed Impulse, the Flash stuck him in permanent slow motion: he can only move a centimeter or so every few hundred years, but his mind still functions at regular speed, trapped in a frozen body. That's cold.

-D

[PoolMan]

PS: Matt riding to Texas on Nathan's back, and the exchange when they landed, was probably the funniest thing I've seen in a month.

[Lordmoon]

Perhaps Hiro did not know how to kill Adam and thought this to be the best solution. At least this way we're likely to see Adam again. I certainly would not mind that.

HRG is the most likely candidate to have shot Nathan. His priority is to keep his family safe and Nathan would have made that very difficult by outing everyone. I don't think it took too much convincing for him to accept the assignment.

I'm still not convinced that the virus is what caused Peter's future. I still have my money on the Plague-bringer.

I think the deal with Peter's powers is that he either accesses them through concentration and/or impulse like when he was thrown off the roof. He most likely has all of Sylers stolen abilities but is only aware of the telekineses as that is the only one he witnessed Syler using.

[StarOpal]

theluckyone said:

Another question: now that Sylar's gotten his powers back, will he have Candice's illusion power too? Or will the fact that he stole it while not having access to his powers keep him from having copied it?

Something to think about. If that's so then he might have taken Alejandro's power also. Which would make him safe from any revenge acts from Maya.

Back to Peter, there may be a bit of a plot hole there now that I think of it. Other powers people were actually using them. But Ted wasn't actually using his powers when Peter copied them, but Peter hasn't noticed suddenly having perfect hearing or memory. Tsk, tsk, set your rules then stick to them. Or was it "in the script"?

Oh, and Sylar should have:
His natural ability to "see how things work"
Telekinesis
That cutting thing (which could be part of the Telekinesis?)
Freezing
Perfect memory
Melting
Super hearing
Radioactivity
Prophecy

Possibly:
Changing perceptions of reality (Candice)
Anti-Plague (Alejandro)
Healing (depending how the blood thing works out)

I think that's everything. I want to say the comic mentioned fire too, but I could be wrong.

[Al]

So, I'm caught up with Season 2 in time for the premiere in three weeks (yay!). Has anyone else checked out the special features on the DVD that talk about everything that was supposed to happen last season before the strike hit? Plague City, baby!

[TheLuckyOne]

Haven't seen the Season 2 DVD, but I'm just wondering whether they're going to address what happened to Peter's girlfriend (whose name I can't remember), or just hope we forgot about her. I mean... dude left her in a possible future that he subsequently prevented from ever happening. As far as breakups go, that's pretty definitive.

-D

[PoolMan]

Can anyone clear up for me whether this Monday's season 3 premiere is a clip show followed by 2 hours of new Heroes? Or is it a clip show and 1 hour, or simply just 2 hours? I'm reading different things in different places...

[PoolMan]

Ooh, double post... classy.

I'm keeping this out of the "new season" thread. My wife and I are going through the first season (so I can catch up, and it's her first viewing... and she's loving it). Now, maybe I've missed out on the finer points on how Peter's power works, but...

Peter has been in close contact with the following people:

- his mom (which actually might explain why he sketches the rooftop stick figures of him and Nathan... it wasn't meeting Isaac that did it, it was Mama Petrelli!)
- Eden (in fact, he shakes hands with her)
- Clarence Devereaux (who he's quite fond of, spends lots of time with prior to the show's opening, and seems to communicate with just as Clarence dies. If Clarence was part of the prior generation, did he have a power? And does Peter have it? And while we're on the subject...)
- Simone Devereaux (if Clarence had a power, we've seen nothing but parent-to-children heredity, so how about Peter's first flame?)

Anybody else got any "a-ha's" surround Peter's Proximity Powers?

[Storm_Rider]

You have to consider that that's when his power/s start to show, and for the first couple of episodes they're very chaotic, because he doesn't know how to control them, actually, until he meets up with the Invisible Man who teaches him about controlling and choosing which powers to use, there's a lot of stabbing in the dark. Until that moment he uses his powers mostly on the "fight or flight" scenario, like when he saves Clare and dies, his body automatically heals itself, even though he wasn't aware of having her power yet. I don't know if he was aware of his copying power when he met Eden, and it's just possible that while his power was starting to manifest it kept turning off until he was in danger when it turned on by the adrenaline.

They never explained much about Clarence, so who knows, we may see more of him sometime or never, not really consequential.

As for Simone's possible power, I believe that as long as it doesn't manifest it doesn't exist, even if she had the potential of having a power, as far as we know it never manifested.

[PoolMan]

Yeah... I hear you, Stormy. I was thinking along the same lines myself, just wasn't sure at what point Peter "permanently" absorbs powers.

But I can confirm he was aware (or at the very, very least, suspicious) of his copying ability when he meets Eden... it's what brings him to Mohinder's apartment for the first time.

I still like the thought that it's his mother who gave him the future sight in the early episodes...