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Post by PoolMan on Oct 21, 2008 12:08:56 GMT -5
Also, how cool is "Mr. African-san," huh? It went by quickly, but I'm pretty sure Hiro called him "Mr African Isaac". Gave me a good laugh, and took me back to the days where he pronounced it "Mystery Sock". if he regains his "natural" power (power copying), but not all the ones he's absorbed, meaning no Sylar power and Peter's not uber-powerful again. If they do that, maybe he can be redeemed as a character. Agreed. Although I see the themes of the show moving in this direction... African Seer (seriously, does this guy have a name yet?) compliments Hiro on relying on his wit instead of his powers to figure things out. Peter turns darker the more power he gets (as does, apparently, his father). Mohinder spiking himself in the arm has done him absolutely no favours. I like where this is going. A return to simpler power bases would be good. I was surprised that they killed David Anders off so quickly. I take it that's Adam? (don't know the actor's name) I was surprised too, and a little let down. Adam was an interesting character to me. Neat how that worked, though. I thought Papa P was killing him. Turns out he was just absorbing his power, which was the only thing keeping Adam alive. Puppet Master escapes level 5 and immediately goes back to his old hideout, a creepy puppet shop, that's apparently within driving distance of where he was imprisoned. Like, oh, good point, they'll never think of looking for you there. Even weirder, don't forget that Meredith went there courtesy of the address in Eric's file. The company HAD his location, let alone suspected. I'm still ready for a big Heroes/Villains showdown, and if they yank the rug out from under us on that count, I think they're going to have a LOT of disappointed (possibly ex-) fans. There's still lots of season to go. But I agree, a culmination of everyone's struggles (like the first season at Kirby Plaza) would be an excellent way to go. |
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Post by Lissa on Oct 21, 2008 13:08:23 GMT -5
Just for the record- when I wrote that Lost vs. Heroes article, and had a draw for Sayid and Mohinder? Sayid has kicked Mohinder's butt from one end of Manhattan to the other and back again without breaking a sweat. I actually wrote that same exact line someplace but with Maya and Mohinder.  Add me into the people thinking "High five, turtle" was one of the best lines of the season so far. I love Matt, and that summed up why. I also am adoring Daphne. I still liked the idea of Daphne with Ando better than with Matt, but Matt deserves some happiness and Daphne is just the cutest thing ever, so if they want to go that way I won't object. It does make Maya and Alejandro of last season so much more frustrating, because obviously they are capable of introducing an awesome new character well and getting me to like her if they want to. I also ended up laughing my butt off at the shovel paintings. Sure, you could see it coming a mile away, but Masi Oka is a brilliant comic actor when he wants to be, and the twelve year old in me still thinks that the bonking noise was funny. Did anyone NOT see it coming that Ando was still alive? Anyone? If so, I'll set the African Seer on you with his shovel, because come on. Also, is it just me, or did Sylar get attached to Angela Petrelli awfully quick?  (Also, Duckie made excellent points about his eyebrows looking rather fake.) |
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Post by StarOpal on Oct 21, 2008 15:17:17 GMT -5
Well, Zachary Quinto's eyebrows could be fake considering how sculpted they look for Star Trek XI. While it doesn't excuse the plot holey-ness of it, one could argue that the Puppetmaster's file didn't have his address and Meredith knew where to find him from whatever history they had together. But that person would still have to explain how Claire knew where to find Meredith. That's the question. Unless Meredith has a Boost and Claire's all "I know where you at." ... I have so much caffeine in my system right now. Also, how cool is "Mr. African-san," huh? It went by quickly, but I'm pretty sure Hiro called him "Mr African Isaac". Gave me a good laugh, and took me back to the days where he pronounced it "Mystery Sock". Why you wanna kill my dream, Poolman? |
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Post by TheLuckyOne on Oct 21, 2008 15:34:58 GMT -5
One thing I didn't think of until just now, and that's Flint's escape. First, I think it's hilarious that he was just recaptured two episodes ago and he's already back out... I know it's immature, but I think a hilarious running gag would be if he just keeps getting recaptured and sprung from jail throughout the entire season. (Just me? Okay then.)
But more importantly was how Daphne freed him. After giving the card to Sylar, she basically grabs on to Flint and then disappears in a blur. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are only two possibilities there, right? Either:
-She picked him up and carried him out at superspeed. Possible, but he looks like a pretty big guy and she's a wispy little stick of a thing, so she's either got superstrength to go with the speed or just really great triceps; or
-She actually lent him speed, allowing him to temporarily move as fast as she did. That's a pretty interesting power, although I think I remember PoolMan mentioning earlier that he didn't like a lot of the Flash's "extra" powers.
Am I leaving something out, or can anyone else think of a different way that went down?
-D
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Post by Storm_Rider on Oct 21, 2008 16:27:59 GMT -5
I stand corrected... Papa Petrelli is Apocalypse  So we're halfway through this chapter and things are starting to gel a bit. I thought this was a good, much more solid episode because of the Puppet Master conclusion, and Adam being turned to dust, ho-ly crap that was awesome and completely unexpected, I thought Papa Petrelli wanted him back to use his blood in order to heal but oh well, and it's just too bad because his character was so interesting. The African Seer is so bad-ass in a cool way, however I'm wondering who two or at least one figure of the 4 on the wall are: there was Papa Petrelli, Knox, someone with a bald patch which could be Parkman Sr. and another guy with a mustache and beard, could this be a new character or Sylar or Peter without a good razor? Peter... it's possible that he may be getting a clean slate just like Sylar did so he may be back to his basic power, or maybe none at all because we can't be sure how Papa Petrelli's power works exactly, he might have sucked 'em all out, and left Peter a normal human. I miss the old Peter, even though he was slightly whinny the "darker" Peter is bad for business. Wouldn't it be really interesting for Sylar to be the hero in the end? High-fiving turtles FTW! |
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Post by TheLuckyOne on Oct 21, 2008 22:12:51 GMT -5
Okay, so here's why Sylar's whole redemption arc is completely bogus...
What we're being given to believe now is that Sylar's killings are entirely the result of his intuitive ability, and need, to understand how things work, so "the Hunger" comes on him and he slices your head open. Okay, that stands to reason... if you forget season 2 happened.
Because I'm pretty sure Sylar spent the entirety of season 2 completely depowered. In theory, no longer being in the throes of "the Hunger," he should have spent all season as Gabriel Gray, either deliriously happy or huddled up in the fetal position sobbing over what he'd done. Except he didn't- he embarked on a journey of deceit, manipulation, and murder, actively seeking to get back the power he now claims he's trying to control and subsume.
Now, you may be thinking "Okay, but maybe he lost all of his powers except his original one, so he still had "the Hunger" going on." My original thought too, except... no. Because remember, he killed Candice in the second episode of season 2 and tried to steal her power, but was unable to do it because he didn't have his intuitive understanding power. So he went on a quest to get it back... a quest that involved killing yet another person, again not under the influence of "the Hunger," in fact as part of a larger effort to get "the Hunger" back.
And that, my friends, is why Sylar is full of crap. Even if, if you give him a total pass on every one of the hero murders due to his uncontrollable "Hunger," he still has to be held accountable for the murders of at least two people while under no outside influence whatsoever. So either the writers are hellbent on redeeming him and just hope we all forgot about season 2 (which I'm pretty sure they hope anyway), or he's playing everyone for fools. Guesses on which it is?
-D
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Post by Storm_Rider on Oct 22, 2008 4:40:45 GMT -5
I for one seriously stopped considering things from season 2 since they couldn't do what they were meaning to, I don't really consider it canon anymore. Plus Adam is dead now, so his relationship with Hiro is moot by now.
You're completely right about Sylar's demeanor in season 2, as for Sylar's "hunger" I gotta say, you have to look at Marvel Zombies for a clue, all the infected heroes feel the need, they hunger for human flesh even though, as it's discovered by Wasp's disembodied head, it's all psychological it's not a physical need since they don't need it for energy, which is confirmed when a couple of the Universe eating zombies regain their clear thought. So it doesn't really mean that stopping having the hunger, stopped him from thinking he had the hunger.
I wonder if the powerless Peter will go free Sylar now.
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Post by StarOpal on Oct 23, 2008 22:58:11 GMT -5
I got to thinking today, how random do the plots points seem to be?
-Sylar/Gabriel kills the woman who can see the complete history of things, and then is like "I can't control the hunger, grr!" Next episode he's all "No, I want to control it."
-Peter goes to the future in order to get future Gabriel's tick-tock power (who was playing with Mr. Muggles, and, I swear, Mr. Muggles looked like a cat in the preview!) in order to see how everything works. Um, he still hasn't done anything with that.
-Leaving aside that it took a long time for Gabriel to turn into Sylar, and he had his power and used it to fix things before he ever started opening skulls and got all addicted and Peter seemed to go instant "I need a fix, man!" ... Leaving that aside, Peter just got drained of powers. So that whole subplot lasted for like a day/an episode.
-Peter is put into another guy's body. Doesn't really lead to anything.
-Gabriel and HRG were partners, and it was interesting. HRG now wants Meredith as his partner.
-Meredith vs. Mrs. Bennet issues. Resolved in like two episodes.
There was more while I was thinking of it, but I can't remember right now. I know last season dragged and that they're probably trying to get rid of as much of it as possible and set the stage for this season's main storyline, but it all seems a bit rushed to me. A case of overcorrecting if you will. And that maybe that's why we're being bombarded with covering all the storylines in every episode (remember season one where we wouldn't here from some characters for a couple of episodes at a time?), a very magician type trick to divert our attention methinks.
Not that I'm going to stop watching anytime soon.
Also "One of them, one of us" is the new "Save the cheerleader, save the world."
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Post by Storm_Rider on Oct 28, 2008 15:30:00 GMT -5
I can't believe no one has said anything about episode seven yet; Claire and Elle working together for a while, Sylar seeming to be on Papa Petrelli's side while saving Peter and getting him out of the building, the death of Matt's father and Daphne's double cross, Nathan being aware of his father still being alive and Tracy's connection to Pinehearst, this is some classic stuff.
I can barely wait to see what Hiro sees during his spirit journey.
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Post by PoolMan on Oct 28, 2008 17:33:33 GMT -5
I second that emotion!
Solid episode last night... felt much more like the first season than the second. Although I missed Hiro and Ando for the majority of the episode, it was nice to focus down tightly on the core storyline at Pinehearst for the most part.
I liked the oh-so-temporary alliance between Claire and Elle, especially when Claire volunteers to absorb Elle's extra volts when she freaks out on the plane. That's a good example of opposed characters being forced to work with each other, which seems to be the overriding theme of the new season.
But on that note, I'm glad Sylar seems to have softened Peter's fall... I can't take any more of him switching sides. I've lost count of how many times that's happened so far this season.
I don't know if I'm a big fan of the guy playing Arthur. Seems like he belongs in a Rat Pack movie, more than in a sci fi geeky show. (the line they gave him about Peter being grounded was AWFUL, and not really well delivered)
The fake deaths of Daphne and Matt were effective (for once) as a way of throwing Knox off, but they need to stop relying on fake deaths as a way of moving the story forward. The boy has cried wolf, thank you.
Still, lot's to like. Peter is MUCH more likeable without his powers, Claire seems to be backing off the emo kick, Mohinder's menacing without being all "muahahahaaaa... I'm turning into a COCKROOOOOOOACH... damn you, Richards!". Mostly I liked the fact that the episode was tight in its focus, and didn't meander all over the place. Good week!
ETA: Did anyone notice in the "next week" preview that Linderman is STILL in the picture? How can that be?
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Post by StarOpal on Oct 28, 2008 18:05:32 GMT -5
I'm trying to stay even and not get my hopes too high yet, you're on probation, Heroes. But, that said, it was a solid episode, and Poolman hit on most of the things I liked. One thing they need to stop right now: Every time Meredith is introduced in an episode she's got a flame going. Sometimes there's a reason, but usually she just... does. Yes, we remember who she is, okay? Got it, we're good, so just stop it. ETA: Did anyone notice in the "next week" preview that Linderman is STILL in the picture? How can that be? Because Hiro's going to "go back to the beginning" and how things started and stuff on his vision quest. (I think?) And I'm saying it again right now, Elle is future Gabriel Jr.'s mum. So question 1: Do you think Mama Petrelli's vision/dream thing with the heroes dead in block five and the villains all standing together is still on the course (with the villains representing the stolen powers of Papa Petrelli)? Or was that a possible future that through her and African seer guy's interference has been changed (getting Hiro to let out Adam, Matt knowing about Daphne causing a chain of events leading to Maury's death)? 2: It's going to turn out that Mama Petrelli gave up Gabriel to protect him because of a vision she saw of what Papa would become? |
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Post by Storm_Rider on Nov 2, 2008 21:27:48 GMT -5
So question 1: Do you think Mama Petrelli's vision/dream thing with the heroes dead in block five and the villains all standing together is still on the course (with the villains representing the stolen powers of Papa Petrelli)? Or was that a possible future that through her and African seer guy's interference has been changed (getting Hiro to let out Adam, Matt knowing about Daphne causing a chain of events leading to Maury's death)? I don't think so Star, because the African Seer changes his drawings of the future when the future changes, and he had to change it when Parkam was in the desert because of future Peter. Last episode Hiro saw that he still had the drawing of Gabriel going nuclear, so what Peter saw in the future still happens. Now I think that Angela's dream and the Seer's drawings represent the same time-line, even though not the same moment in the time line, that's why Papa Petrelli wants all the Seers killed or otherwise incapacitated, so they don't mess up his plan. And this leads me to this problem/plot hole, since he sucked out all of Peter's powers, he would have access to both Future Dreaming from Angela and Future Painting from Isaac, so he should see that whatever he is doing will destroy the world, right? So what is he actually playing at? Because sure as hell Peter doesn't have healing factor anymore, which would mean that Future Peter got his scar while he was in this mortal state, and the only thing we've seen constantly that could do that would be Hiro's katana. |
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Post by StarOpal on Nov 2, 2008 22:34:17 GMT -5
And this leads me to this problem/plot hole, since he sucked out all of Peter's powers, he would have access to both Future Dreaming from Angela and Future Painting from Isaac, so he should see that whatever he is doing will destroy the world, right? So what is he actually playing at? Well that could depend on how Papa's power works. Did he steal Peter's main power (copying), or did he steal his collected powers? (Unless they showed something that answered this question... It's been a whole week, I can't remember everything) If just the main power, he doesn't have the ability to 'See' yet. |
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Post by Storm_Rider on Nov 3, 2008 7:47:57 GMT -5
Yeah Papa's power is weird, however when he was talking to someone, can't remember whom, he says something like: "I take it all", when talking about his ability.
Also, when he absorbs Peter's power/s, he uses the lightning power to show off a sort of globular lightning, now this could just mean that he took Peter's lightning power, but later he kills Maury with telekinesis - which was also one of Peter's powers, and let's not forget that Peter can't heal anymore, so healing factor is gone as well. I don't think he would need to use Peter "empath" power since his power is so much more destructive than Peter's, I mean he gets the opponent's ability and makes him a non-threat at the same time, of course the only downside to his ability is that he actually has to touch the victim, as oppose to Peter who needed to have the ability manifested around him.
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Post by TheLuckyOne on Nov 3, 2008 9:42:39 GMT -5
On a related note, it struck me as odd that Papa Petrelli killed Maury without stealing his power last week. I mean, that's a pretty solid power, and all Arthur would've had to do would be to grab him before snapping his neck. Makes me wonder if he doesn't plan on just taking it from Matt instead (or if he already has his own version).
-D
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(Also, Duckie made excellent points about his eyebrows looking rather fake.)
